Mini 1218: POWERFUL WIZARD MAFIA: AN INTERLUDE (GAME)


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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:18 pm

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Zoraster, I want you to list out all the pro's and con's for a scum to fakeclaim a guilty on day 1. Then I want you to either self-vote or facepalm, depending on your alignment,
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:21 pm

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Actually I'll do it for you:

Pros:
-Day 1 ends in a mislynch (note: statistically speaking this is most likely going to happen on its own)

Cons:
-Chance to be vigged overnight if there's a vig
-Almost assuredly going to be a scum lynch day 2
-If scum somehow manage to survive after a cop fakeclaim day 1, their future input will be completely ignored by the town
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:23 pm

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Parama wrote:Zoraster, I want you to list out all the pro's and con's for a scum to fakeclaim a guilty on day 1. Then I want you to either self-vote or facepalm, depending on your alignment,


Pros:
1. Get a townie lynched
2. Escape because some idiot will make the argument you're too scummy to be scum. Maybe they'll even think you're MORE townie for doing it.

Cons:
1. Maybe there are more sane people than there are idiots.

Despite that, I do think there's the possibility that he had some sort of weird power role interaction thingy. But Fate's power doesn't appear to be miller-esque, and a night 1 role-fuckup would be pretty lucky for scum on night 1.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:24 pm

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Parama wrote:Actually I'll do it for you:

Pros:
-Day 1 ends in a mislynch (note: statistically speaking this is most likely going to happen on its own)

Cons:
-Chance to be vigged overnight if there's a vig
-Almost assuredly going to be a scum lynch day 2
-If scum somehow manage to survive after a cop fakeclaim day 1, their future input will be completely ignored by the town


So let me get this straight.

On the one hand you're saying I'm an idiot for believing Reckoner is scum. As if it's SO obvious that he's not from his actions.

On the other hand, you're saying it's obvious that you're getting lynched the following day.

These are inconsistent statements. Pick one.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:25 pm

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So then zor who do you think is scum?

P-edit:
Scum look at the hard facts more than what is actually likely to play out.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:31 pm

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Parama wrote:So then zor who do you think is scum?

P-edit:
Scum look at the hard facts more than what is actually likely to play out.


I think you are, and here's why:

Reckoner may or may not be scum with a very aggressive gambit. Probably not SK or something because eventually reck is going to have to die for his actions and that's not SK behavior. I'm not sure as I can't evaluate him yet in any case.

You on the other hand, have come out swinging defending Reck. And why? The idea that he wouldn't make a gambit like he did is pretty damn flimsy to act with certainty. But you seem pretty hellbent on it. You're manufacturing weak-ass cases on people based on a day 1. That's fine when we're in a low information stage, but the tenor of your discussion makes it seem like you've caught scum.

So I think you want points for defending a scummy looking person because that'll come across as sincere, and you want points to being an aggressive scum hunter. But I think neither is motivated by a desire to catch scum at all. I think it's designed to make you look good. and that's scummy.

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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:35 pm

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I'm defending Reck so that we don't waste another goddamn mislynch for pointless reasons.
Also, did you notice where I pointed out THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM ON A PLATTER?
I don't think Reck is scum, so I'm defending him. I agree that me defending Reck has anything to do with catching scum.
I have done the catching scum part all by looking at reactions to Reck's claim. Now where is your case again?
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:39 pm

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Parama wrote:I'm defending Reck so that we don't waste another goddamn mislynch for pointless reasons.
Also, did you notice where I pointed out THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM ON A PLATTER?
I don't think Reck is scum, so I'm defending him. I agree that me defending Reck has anything to do with catching scum.
I have done the catching scum part all by looking at reactions to Reck's claim. Now where is your case again?


I noticed where you made up a whole bunch of crap, called it caught scum and patted yourself on the back. The whole machismo method of "scum hunting" needs to die already.

You want my case? Look above. It's a damn sight more compelling than yours.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:41 pm

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zoraster wrote:
Parama wrote:zoraster even Reck is too ballsy to fakeclaim cop with a guilty on D1 as scum. Heck, there is absolutely no scum motivation to do so.


oh good. the too scum to be scum argument. always a winner!

No it isn't too ballsy...its that he
isn't
that ballsy...plus he made it obvious with his DONT HAMMER crap.

Hld on a sec I had the scum a second ago.

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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:43 pm

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No, see zor,
1. You haven't discredited a word of my case
2. I have discredited your case, hence the question

Go cry in a corner or something.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:45 pm

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Parama wrote:No, see zor,
1. You haven't discredited a word of my case
2. I have discredited your case, hence the question

Go cry in a corner or something.


I'll let others weigh in as it's not beneficial to town to have a pissing contest that takes up more space, but this is just idiotic dribble. It's the "if you say something enough times it becomes correct" mentality. But we're not playing with the Tea Party here. We're playing with some good players who I'm confident will see through that idiocy.

Anyway, go to sleep. We'll see what others think. I'll be curious to see what benmage is talking about as well as Reckoner's response.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:54 pm

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From yesterday

evilpacman18 wrote:Lol

vote: Fate

^Scum.. doesn’t know how to react to a fakeclaim.

evilpacman18 wrote:Odds of Reck's sanity being questionable?

^Inside Info..whoever first goes to sanity issues?

evil… is scum 1.

Scum 2:
kanyeknowsbest wrote:
Benmage wrote:Sweet, I thought this was gonna be lame, especially with reck already claiming my goto fakeclaim.

Probably fake, spyrex a cop fan?

Anywhose Parama is scum obviously.
vote Fate

"probably a fake" but youre voting on it anyways?

Trying to call me out knowing its fake.


Town 1:
Reck---tiny balls
Town 2:
Parama… no one does this:
Parama wrote:
unvote

^Scummy as fuck, when reck goes WAHH L-1.
@Parama
why did you unvote here to then do this:
Parama wrote:
vote: Fate


gonna be offline for the rest of the night~ have fun peeps.

^Horrible horrible hammer….
But nonetheless Parama is our duncecap townie.

Plum is also town.

Toasty is potential scum, who no one will lose sleep over if the lynch falls there.
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:55 pm

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Parama wrote:Plum get in here I need to ask you something.


Present. I think I know where this might be heading, though <3

I concur that both Bub and Toasty are both very likely to be scum; Zoroaster is more of a tossup to me, buuuuuut then again the idiocy of the attack on Parama, well, the argument that the Reck-is-probTown assumption is an insincere attempt at looking sincere, that is pretty contrived itself. If we've already got a wagon on one of those two going, yeah, let's dance this dance. VOTE: Toasty
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:58 pm

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Vote evilpacman


hes the one.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:04 pm

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Parama wrote:Actually I'll do it for you:

Pros:
-Day 1 ends in a mislynch (note: statistically speaking this is most likely going to happen on its own)

Cons:
-Chance to be vigged overnight if there's a vig
-Almost assuredly going to be a scum lynch day 2
-If scum somehow manage to survive after a cop fakeclaim day 1, their future input will be completely ignored by the town

***They're the first selection for a town cop.
zoraster wrote:
Parama wrote:Zoraster, I want you to list out all the pro's and con's for a scum to fakeclaim a guilty on day 1. Then I want you to either self-vote or facepalm, depending on your alignment,


Pros:
1. Get a townie lynched
2. Escape because some idiot will make the argument you're too scummy to be scum. Maybe they'll even think you're MORE townie for doing it.

Cons:
1. Maybe there are more sane people than there are idiots.

Despite that, I do think there's the possibility that he had some sort of weird power role interaction thingy. But Fate's power doesn't appear to be miller-esque, and a night 1 role-fuckup would be pretty lucky for scum on night 1.

1. 1 is weak
2. This is weak and chancey... unlikely for scum to risk.
(These pros aren't convincing)
Cons:
DING DING DIGN what cop doesnt inv u?
GF....sure potentially..
Vig, sayonara.

Concl:
TOO much risk involved. Reward is real minimal.
I LOVE PRECEDENTS!!!!!! HAVE U ZORASTER EVER SEEN ANY SCUM FAKE LIKE THIS????? If the answer is no. Reck is town. Period.

Fates isnt miller dur.
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:06 pm

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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:11 pm

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I LOVE PRECEDENTS!!!!!! HAVE U ZORASTER EVER SEEN ANY SCUM FAKE LIKE THIS????? If the answer is no. Reck is town. Period.


Seems like a pretty ridiculous logical leap. I haven't played in any games where someone has claimed a guilty result on day 1 that led to a 2nd page lynch that I can remember at all.

So what do YOU think happened there, benmage? Do you think 1) Reck fakeclaimed or 2) he actually had a guilty result?
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:13 pm

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Plum is there anyone who you sense is scum? Anyone in need of rope ASAP? I'm assuming from your post that probably not but oh well :/
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:13 pm

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This isn't you're first rodeo...

I'm asking if you've ever seen SCUM fakeclaim D1 to get a quicklynch off.

-I 100% believe Reck fakeclaimed. Hence his whole
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:14 pm

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Parama wrote:Plum is there anyone who you sense is scum? Anyone in need of rope ASAP? I'm assuming from your post that probably not but oh well :/

Get out of Plums asshole and vote Evil. I laid out a better reason why he is scum over toasty.

Same for KKB... toasty is 3rd on the totem.
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:15 pm

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KKB is probably town. EPM I could see being scum though. Toasty is still the best choice.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:17 pm

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Reck is prob town for this reason:

xRECKONERx wrote:
unvote


NO QUICKHAMMERS


If he had been keeping up with the vote-count, he would have known that Parama had already hammered. Scum fake-claiming would surely be aware of the vote-count at the moment. And also, the fact that he unvoted showed that he didn't what a quicklynch.

Also, Parama and reck are of the same alignment. Since reck is town, Parama is town.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:19 pm

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^4th scummer if 1 of the others strikes out.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:19 pm

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Parama wrote:Plum is there anyone who you sense is scum? Anyone in need of rope ASAP? I'm assuming from your post that probably not but oh well :/


Unfortunately I have not. There is one person here I think is certainly not in need of rope . . . but it will not be news to you.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:22 pm

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sigh. so reck is now confirmed town. that's not news to me.
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