Mini 1320--Redwall Mafia: Spirit Lore (The Sun Has Set)

[vijay2vasandani]

Aww I was..

And with PR, idt self-assurance=tunneling. Although there is a rather fine line.

[Ghostlin]

Ghostlin, give me one good reason not to vote bv310 right now.

..I got nothing. I even had a joke typed up about waffles and waffles being good, but I realized it was unfunny.

The serious vote on RVS, compounded by deliberately going back to a play reason to vote RBT, plus the vote on Pappums for saying what he didn't actually ever say (Pappum's didn't mention tunneling, and bv voted him because it's not OK to be sure of your convictions because tunneling is bad; also while tunneling makes you ignore other players, it's not in an of itself bad to focus on one target, nor is it scummy) is also pretty bad. Also, when your post to vote ratio is 1:1, even in Day 1, it makes me wonder about you.

Junpei, the only reason I can think of you not voting BV is that you're scum and you care what the other players think in constructing that wagon.

In fact, I'll:

Unvote.

Vote: BV

[DarthYoshi]

Day One, Vote Count the Second

Zdenek (1): riceballtail
Ghostlin (2): HellloooNewman, Zdenek
bv310 (4): Junpei, hiplop, vijay2vasandani, Ghostlin
Junpei (1): PeregrineV
riceballtail (1): pappums rat
pappums rat (1): bv310

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch and 5 to no-lynch.

The deadline is currently set for 5:00 pm PDT (GMT-7) on Tuesday, April 3.

Junpei is V/LA through Sunday.

Prodding PeregrineV.

As ever, any questions or concerns, please let me know.

[Ghostlin]

No one else vote for BV. L-2 is perfect for right now. I will see voting to L-1 at this juncture a scum claim due to the fact that if BV is scum, he can prematurely end the day by hammering himself. Thank you.

[Ghostlin]

If you want a serious place to put some of your votes, I recommend you check out vijay's ISO for your consideration.

[PeregrineV]

Junpei, the only reason I can think of you not voting BV is that you're scum and you care what the other players think in constructing that wagon.

In fact, I'll:

Unvote.

Vote: BV

Can you explain this to me in more detail?? Would Junpei be scum not wanting to be seen on the town-BV wagon, or would Junpei be scum not wanting to vote for scum-BV?

[Ghostlin]

Junpei, the only reason I can think of you not voting BV is that you're scum and you care what the other players think in constructing that wagon.

In fact, I'll:

Unvote.

Vote: BV

Can you explain this to me in more detail?? Would Junpei be scum not wanting to be seen on the town-BV wagon, or would Junpei be scum not wanting to vote for scum-BV?

Either. More to the point, I feel Junpei was asking me: "Why would I, as a person, not vote BV right now?" (We'll pretend that I didn't vote BV and neither did Junpei.)

There is

no

protown reason

not

to be voting BV

if

you

don't

have any harder suspicion. There is nothing BV's done that reeks of Town or Town play. In fact, Junpei pointed this out to me, and I had to reread what BV said--which is never a good sign. If someone drops an obv-Town tell in front of me, I usually cling to it.

So, the only reason you wouldn't vote BV at the moment (ignoring the fact it's L-2 and I want BV to squirm and not end the day prematurely) is you were afraid of the accountability storm of being on that wagon. If you're town, there's not much to be afraid of being accountable for your actions.

I did miss another reason for not voting BV that is serious and valid. You're BV.

[PeregrineV]

Junpei, the only reason I can think of you not voting BV is that you're scum and you care what the other players think in constructing that wagon.

In fact, I'll:

Unvote.

Vote: BV

Can you explain this to me in more detail?? Would Junpei be scum not wanting to be seen on the town-BV wagon, or would Junpei be scum not wanting to vote for scum-BV?

Either. More to the point, I feel Junpei was asking me: "Why would I, as a person, not vote BV right now?" (We'll pretend that I didn't vote BV and neither did Junpei.)

There is

no

protown reason

not

to be voting BV

if

you

don't

have any harder suspicion. There is nothing BV's done that reeks of Town or Town play. In fact, Junpei pointed this out to me, and I had to reread what BV said--which is never a good sign. If someone drops an obv-Town tell in front of me, I usually cling to it.

So, the only reason you wouldn't vote BV at the moment (ignoring the fact it's L-2 and I want BV to squirm and not end the day prematurely) is you were afraid of the accountability storm of being on that wagon. If you're town, there's not much to be afraid of being accountable for your actions.

I did miss another reason for not voting BV that is serious and valid. You're BV.

NM, I saw post 44 but missed post 40. Take out post 40 and 44 is way scummier.

[pappums rat]

I think the most important trait is self-assurance. I dont think its good to second guess yourself too much.

How much is too much? Seems like an arbitrary rule if you can't define that at least.

Ghostlin, give me one good reason not to vote bv310 right now.

It's not really a rule, it's just my opinion that if you doubt your first instinct you are more likely to be wrong. If there are mounting logical reasons why my first instinct was wrong, then I would start to deviate from my initial suspicion.

I have never believed that early massclaims are a good idea even in a smaller game.

Vote: Riceballtail

I don't see the logic connection here. Is there one?

I do.

VOTE: Riceballtail

Care to enlighten me then? I still don't see anywhere that I mentioned massclaim being good.

I was talking about Zdenek talking about massclaiming when I said that. I then random voted you. They had nothing to do with each other.

[Zdenek]

Vijay is probably scum. There's a reasonable chance that his first post is scum slip, since he suggests that he knows BV is pretending to be suspicious.

[Zdenek]

Vote Vijay

[vijay2vasandani]

Vijay is probably scum. There's a reasonable chance that his first post is scum slip, since he suggests that he knows BV is pretending to be suspicious.

Is this serious? If yes, I suggest you look at 20, that's who told me.

[Zdenek]

Vijay is probably scum. There's a reasonable chance that his first post is scum slip, since he suggests that he knows BV is pretending to be suspicious.

Is this serious? If yes, I suggest you look at 20, that's who told me.

Junpei could be scum too.

[vijay2vasandani]

That of course means you're willing to lynch BV right? Not right now but in the near future.

[Zdenek]

Why should that be the case? I don't get it.

[vijay2vasandani]

Because by your logic, if we know BV is pretending then BV must be scums with us. If BV flips scum then it may have been a slip by Junpei, if BV flips town it wasn't.

But really, it was an obvRVSjoke.

[Zdenek]

Because by your logic, if we know BV is pretending then BV must be scums with us. If BV flips scum then it may have been a slip by Junpei, if BV flips town it wasn't.

But really, it was an obvRVSjoke.

Well, I read it as Junpei or you knowing that he's town and so knowing that he's pretending to be scummy by jumping at my suggestion of mass-claiming.

[HellloooNewman]

I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing in the BV lynch. It is page freakin' 3, and we have someone at L2? Seems kinda over the top to me.

Unvote

To answer the question posed earlier about a massclaim: It seems to me that Yoshi has thought it out pretty well. I have a feeling that it wouldn't matter if we did it or not, cause the Mod would have likely stayed away from the obvious.

In case that was worded poorly, let me be plain. I am against it, because it won't do us any good.

[vijay2vasandani]

What's wrong with L-2?

VOTE: HelloNewman

[HellloooNewman]

The fact that we are 3 pages into a game and have someone at L2 is fine with you? Says more about you than it does me I'm afraid.

It says to me that

almost

a majority of the town is okay with lynching someone based off of......let me try to remember here......oh yeah, NOTHING. Yup, nothing wrong with that...... :rolls eyes:

[Ghostlin]

The fact that we are 3 pages into a game and have someone at L2 is fine with you? Says more about you than it does me I'm afraid.

It says to me that

almost

a majority of the town is okay with lynching someone based off of......let me try to remember here......oh yeah, NOTHING. Yup, nothing wrong with that...... :rolls eyes:

I see I didn't waste typing up Post #56. Not a waste of time at all. Looks like you read and understood it too.

[hiplop]

l-2 is nothing. the only negative thing that could happen is 2 scum deciding "HEY LETS OUT OURSELVES HERP"

they might derp soon afterwards

[HellloooNewman]

The fact that we are 3 pages into a game and have someone at L2 is fine with you? Says more about you than it does me I'm afraid.

It says to me that

almost

a majority of the town is okay with lynching someone based off of......let me try to remember here......oh yeah, NOTHING. Yup, nothing wrong with that...... :rolls eyes:

I see I didn't waste typing up Post #56. Not a waste of time at all. Looks like you read and understood it too.

You like your sarcasm I see.

There is nothing BV's done that reeks of Town or Town play.

There is nothing that ANYONE has done thusfar that reeks of Town/Town play or Scum/Scum play. We are 3 pages, and 71 posts in. Half of those posts are joke votes, confirmations, and mod posts.

The only thing that is off to me is the fact that 4 people are on a townie wagon. I say townie because, statistically, it is 4:1 chance that he is town as opposed to scum. I would say that there is likely to be 1 scum on that wagon so far, if I had to guess.

[vijay2vasandani]

The fact that we are 3 pages into a game and have someone at L2 is fine with you? Says more about you than it does me I'm afraid.

It says to me that

almost

a majority of the town is okay with lynching someone based off of......let me try to remember here......oh yeah, NOTHING. Yup, nothing wrong with that...... :rolls eyes:

Yuck. As hiplop already pointed out, what's wrong with L-2? I'm seeing scum intent in either defending his scumbuddy or trying to gain towncred by defending a townie. Town intent not so much. Maybe afraid of a quicklynch, but really a L-2 quicklynch just outs 2(worst case 1) scum. Yup, happy with my vote.

[HellloooNewman]

I never said L2 was bad. I said L2 on page 3, 70 some odd posts into the game is bad. your misconstruing what I said or blatantly not reading what I said.