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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:17 pm
by Chrimi
The timing of claiming 'not scum'?

*facepalm*

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:16 pm
by andrew94
unvote vote quinter


sheeping etc

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:18 pm
by drmyshotgun
Quinter wrote:thanks lastsurvivor.
drmyshotgun wrote:I thought PGO was basically Daykill Vigilante...

Vote: shotgun

you can't seriously not have read your role pm if you are town

Yep. So yeah. Yep. Nothing to say. I'm defeated. Boohoo. Sniff sniff.

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:46 pm
by Jal
I fail to see how someone misunderstanding their role is scummy in any sense, especially when the role PM is made clear to everyone. It's not a town slip either.

AcRv
:

What makes Phill town?

AcRv wrote:If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.


Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him. This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.


AcRv wrote:Because the "confirm by PM" is at the bottom of the PM.


No it isn't.

VOTE: AcRv

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:51 pm
by Jal
Phill
:

Phillammon wrote:I was not jumping on gunny for his PGO claim, I was jumping on his timing.


Actually, you "jumped" aka
voted
for him before he claimed.

Why did you vote for him again? I am unclear what "blindingly obvious reasons" entail.

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:40 pm
by Phillammon
Because of the whole thing wherein he claimed that he thought PGOs where one shot dayvigs, therefore he either didn't read his PM and thus didn't confirm (and he did confirm), or he got a scum PM. I "jumped at him" in the traditional sense of the word, when I aggressively challenged his claim, because 1) He formally claimed at 2 votes and 2) He was claiming the role he didn't know the function of, despite having received the PM.

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:10 pm
by AcRv
Jal wrote:
AcRv
:

What makes Phill town?

You want me to explain my town reads? So scum know what they can do to make me think they're town? I'm good.

AcRv wrote:If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.


Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him. This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.
Uhm...
Jal wrote:
Phillammon wrote:despite having apparently
read
your PM, and despite both PMs being posted above?


Whoa whoa whoa. We're already assuming too much here.


... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.

Jal wrote:
AcRv wrote:Because the "confirm by PM" is at the bottom of the PM.


No it isn't.

VOTE: AcRv


... it is at then end of my PM. And I'd assume everyone else is the same.

Really looks like you're trying to defend shotgun a little too much... bringing up an incorrect point trying to defend him, when we had already established that what he did was a null tell. And also denying you defended him seems off as well.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jal


... Your signature and this post together made me laugh... is there a reason for this post and your other one?

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:43 am
by Lastsurvivor
On the television, the debates are heated.
"Guns kill people!" a Florida statesman shouts.
"Guns don't kill people; people kill people!" another one shouts. To prove it, he pulls out his concealed firearm from his pants pocket and shot the other Florida statesman in the chest. A narrator's voice says,
"Generic Florida Statesman, Politician, has died Pregame."

Florida Statehouse Mafia has begun.


D1 VOTE COUNT #2

Quinter (L-4) - brundibar, andrew94
Phillammon (L-4) - kondi2424, Chrimi
Shattered Viewpoint (L-5) - drmyshotgun
kondi2424 (L-5) - mcqueen
AcRv (L-5) - Jal
drmyshotgun (L-5) - Quinter
Jal (L-5) - AcRv
brundibar -
Chrimi -
andrew94 -
mcqueen

Not voting: Shattered Viewpoint, Phillammon

V/LA: Quinter LA until approximately 6/16 (but he can still post)

With 11 alive, it takes six to lynch

Note: Due to moderator error, not every PM included the "Please confirm via PM with your role name" note on the bottom. I did not use BCC for any of the role PMs, and edited that note in to all of the role PMs after I sent them out. However, if someone had already confirmed, I didn't bother to edit it in.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-23 23:13:00)

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:54 am
by brundibar
andrew94 wrote:
unvote vote quinter


sheeping etc


I'm suspicious of quinter as well from his few posts, but I don't think sheeping is the best term to describe it. Any more reasoning?

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:41 pm
by mcqueen
I have nothing to say.

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:32 pm
by drmyshotgun
Yeah, I'm feeling uncomfortable with Jal's defending of me. Looks like he's trying to buy Town points from me and others who see
me
as Town.

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:02 pm
by Jal
AcRv
:

AcRv wrote:You want me to explain my town reads? So scum know what they can do to make me think they're town? I'm good.


So you're making claims that someone is townie, but backing up this claim would be giving away secrets to the scum? Why should we believe you if you're not going to back-up your claim?

AcRv wrote:... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.


Just because I'm pointing out a flaw in the argument, doesn't constitute a defense of the person being attacked.

Since you didn't say anything to this part of my post:

Jal wrote:
Jal wrote:
If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.


Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.


I guess you agree with me in that you're using horrible roundabout logic to make me seem scummy and tying Gunny and I unnecessarily together.

Lastsurvivor already addressed the PM dealio.


drmyshotgun
:

drmyshotgun wrote:Yeah, I'm feeling uncomfortable with Jal's defending of me. Looks like he's trying to buy Town points from me and others who see me as Town.


If you're feeling "uncomfortable" with my assumed defending of you, please feel free to move your currently useless vote for Shattered Viewpoint onto myself.

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:56 pm
by drmyshotgun
Well, since Shattered Viewpoint supplied us with vast amount of information and never-before-seen knowledge, my vote stays on him.

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:05 pm
by andrew94
Quinter wrote:thanks lastsurvivor.
drmyshotgun wrote:I thought PGO was basically Daykill Vigilante...

Vote: shotgun

you can't seriously not have read your role pm if you are town

cos of this post

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:53 pm
by AcRv
Jal wrote:
AcRv
:

AcRv wrote:You want me to explain my town reads? So scum know what they can do to make me think they're town? I'm good.


So you're making claims that someone is townie, but backing up this claim would be giving away secrets to the scum? Why should we believe you if you're not going to back-up your claim?

Look at it this way - why would a town member lie about a townread? And scum would only lie about a townread on their buddy, and as soon as they flip scum then hey, we know to ignore everything they said about reads. So really, you don't lose anything from me not explaining why I think someone is town. All you need to know is that I have no plans on voting him/her in the forseeable future.

AcRv wrote:... Right there you say that we are assuming too much in the case against shotgun. That's defending shotgun.


Just because I'm pointing out a flaw in the argument, doesn't constitute a defense of the person being attacked.

Since you didn't say anything to this part of my post:

Jal wrote:
Jal wrote:
If he were scum and you were town, he wouldn't have bothered, because it'd be an easy wagon. So he's probably town.
However, as scum he might want to defend you if you were buddies. So he is only scum if you are.


Getting this straight:

So if I were scum, I wouldn't have bothered to defend him if he were town because it would be an easy wagon.
However, if I were scum I might defend him if we were buddies.

... Uh, yeah, because you then added this:
Jal wrote:This is all on top of assuming that I was even defending him. This sounds like some horrible roundabout logic to make me look scummy and tie Gunny and I together.
Which I did adress, and was the main point. You were denying you defended him, which at the time it looked like you were, (until LastSurvivor told us what happened with that... so now you're saying I'm scum for not knowing something that I couldn't have possibly known yet). Also, that part of the post you're claiming I'm ignored is basically you stating my logic... so what am I meant to say to it, "you've got my logic right"? You basically stated what my logic was and said why it was wrong (the bit about why it's wrong you conveniently left out). I then went and said why I thought your reasoning for it being wrong was wrong,. Your response? Say that I didn't address a point that I did.

mcqueen wrote:I have nothing to say.

If I got a dollar every time I heard that.

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:37 am
by brundibar
Or they could be lying about a town read in general to gain town cred. They wouldn't just lie about a town read on their buddy.


mcqueen wrote:I have nothing to say.


Oh really now?

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:59 am
by mcqueen
Well, throghout the day, I've thought of one thing to say - I've no need to arm myself unless I'm being called obvious town by a lot of players, as mafia will want me alive for mislynch bait, later in the game. So, yes I'm a PGO, and I'm not arming myself unless I'm being called obvious town.

Other than that, I'll unvote, as even my RVS vote isn't meaningful to me.
UNVOTE:

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:13 am
by andrew94
acrv seems town to me.

mcqueen , why did you make that post?
your not obvious town to me!

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:01 pm
by drmyshotgun
He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:31 pm
by mcqueen
andrew94 is just being andrew94. And McQueen is just being McQueen.

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:32 pm
by drmyshotgun
Both of you equal silent asses?

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:34 pm
by andrew94
drmyshotgun wrote:He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

get on my page. you see what im seeing mcqueen is doing?

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:35 pm
by drmyshotgun
I dunno you tell me. If you know something more than any players, you do us a favor and tell of it. Not quiz around.

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:40 pm
by mcqueen
drmyshotgun wrote:Both of you equal silent asses?

Silent but deadly. Yup, you guessed it - I'm a Paranoid Farter.

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:42 pm
by mcqueen
andrew94 wrote:
drmyshotgun wrote:He meant as in towards the end of the day. I see what he means, but I don't think we're on the same page here Andrew.

get on my page. you see what im seeing mcqueen is doing?

? Even I don't see what I'm doing, so how can you?

(Answer - He's a Gypsy!)