Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[theslimer3]

in my experience.

And how much experience do you have?
Everybody jokes around. Especially this early on. Its not a tell in itself of any alignment.


Yes, thats what RVS & RQS means.

This.

Also, you'll find I'll joke around the most probably

[Mutleyddmc]

If you are going to joke around more than me, I will have to put my serious face on :-l

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.02

Didi (1) - Xegarus
MP5 (1) - FSnake
theslimer3 (1) - Didi
Voodoo Lady (1) - Mutleyddmc
Xiao Long (1) - MP5

Not Voting (4) - theslimer3, Voodoo Lady, KingPin96, Xiao Long

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

[Didi]

I've been playing mafia regularly since 2007/2008, so quite a lot.

And hey, I'm not saying it's a sure thing. Just something that I've seen happen quite often.
Duly noted though that you came to his defense.

[Xegarus]

Duly noted though that you came to his defense.

There something wrong with me 'coming to someones defence'? I saw your reason for being suspicious as a null tell and so i pointed it out. Would you rather i keep my mouth shut when i see something i dont agree with?

[FSnake]

Because i was so confused about that RVS stuff i read anothter more detailed guide about it.
I thought we shouldn't build random wagons until someone seems suspicious. Now i'm more inclined to build wagons to create reactions and content.
Right now it's a slow game and i think part of it is that we have 5 people with one vote and nobody has more.
Please correct me if this is a total stupid idea (looking at you IC and SEs)
In that sense
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xiao Long

[Didi]

Duly noted though that you came to his defense.

There something wrong with me 'coming to someones defence'? I saw your reason for being suspicious as a null tell and so i pointed it out. Would you rather i keep my mouth shut when i see something i dont agree with?

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.
But I'm not prohibiting you from talking, on the contrary, a silent town is a doomed town, so please, keep talking.

I am sticking a vote on you for now though because you're reacting overly defensive (in my eyes) to just a tiny bit of pressure.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xegarus



FSnake, whose side are you on?

[theslimer3]

Because i was so confused about that RVS stuff i read anothter more detailed guide about it.
I thought we shouldn't build random wagons until someone seems suspicious. Now i'm more inclined to build wagons to create reactions and content.
Right now it's a slow game and i think part of it is that we have 5 people with one vote and nobody has more.
Please correct me if this is a total stupid idea (looking at you IC and SEs)
In that sense
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xiao Long

It's tradition, not a logical test game.he truth.
If you don't want to participate, join me and joke around with them.
I think it starts the game just fine, to tell you truth. Better than flat out calling someone scum and it having absolutely no effect.

[FSnake]

It's tradition, not a logical test game.he truth.
If you don't want to participate, join me and joke around with them.
I think it starts the game just fine, to tell you truth. Better than flat out calling someone scum and it having absolutely no effect.

Yeah i think i should have waited to try this for my next new game. This morning i replaced in another game and there the IC advocated what i tried here (the guide i mentioned was in his sig). So while i was reading that game to catch up i thought it would be a good idea to try this approach here. Time was running out before i had to leave home and i gave this "good idea" not much second thought. I now see how to tell what i will try before i do it wasn´t the optimal approach. At least i have another ICs opinion on RVS, thanks for that.
that leaves me with a bunch of null tells, i hate this game in such moments.

[Voodoo Lady]

If you are going to joke around more than me, I will have to put my serious face on :-l

There's nothing wrong with joking around in a game of mafia! But you've been asked a couple of questions and have been making funny comments in lieu of answering them, which isn't very helpful. To reiterate: a) were you threatened by Didi's vote on you, and b) what did you mean by the comment about him "being easily swayed"?

Snake, don't worry about getting null tells. We're not even three pages into the game. You'll have plenty of time to formulate reads. :0)

[theslimer3]

It's tradition, not a logical test game.he truth.
If you don't want to participate, join me and joke around with them.
I think it starts the game just fine, to tell you truth. Better than flat out calling someone scum and it having absolutely no effect.

Yeah i think i should have waited to try this for my next new game. This morning i replaced in another game and there the IC advocated what i tried here (the guide i mentioned was in his sig). So while i was reading that game to catch up i thought it would be a good idea to try this approach here. Time was running out before i had to leave home and i gave this "good idea" not much second thought. I now see how to tell what i will try before i do it wasn´t the optimal approach. At least i have another ICs opinion on RVS, thanks for that.
that leaves me with a bunch of null tells, i hate this game in such moments.

Worry not! I feel a storm brewing between Fsnake, Xega, and Xaio. Not sure what's going on, but it should cook something up to get us out of RVS/RQS

[Didi]

Maybe you didn't see it because it was at the bottom of my post, but I'll ask it again:

FSnake, whose side are you on?

[Xegarus]

Duly noted though that you came to his defense.

There something wrong with me 'coming to someones defence'? I saw your reason for being suspicious as a null tell and so i pointed it out. Would you rather i keep my mouth shut when i see something i dont agree with?

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.
But I'm not prohibiting you from talking, on the contrary, a silent town is a doomed town, so please, keep talking.

I am sticking a vote on you for now though because you're reacting overly defensive (in my eyes) to just a tiny bit of pressure.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xegarus



FSnake, whose side are you on?

I would feel pressure over me 'coming to somones defence' about a null tell?
I don't quite understand where you are going with this.

Because i was so confused about that RVS stuff i read anothter more detailed guide about it.
I thought we shouldn't build random wagons until someone seems suspicious. Now i'm more inclined to build wagons to create reactions and content.
Right now it's a slow game and i think part of it is that we have 5 people with one vote and nobody has more.
Please correct me if this is a total stupid idea (looking at you IC and SEs)
In that sense
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xiao Long

I feel the stupid part is you telling people about it. When you are pressuring somone, its only effective when they don't realise it. When you just out it, it looses its strength.

There's nothing wrong with joking around in a game of mafia! But you've been asked a couple of questions and have been making funny comments in lieu of answering them, which isn't very helpful. To reiterate: a) were you threatened by Didi's vote on you, and b) what did you mean by the comment about him "being easily swayed"?

This so much.

Worry not! I feel a storm brewing between Fsnake, Xega, and Xaio. Not sure what's going on, but it should cook something up to get us out of RVS/RQS

Huh?
Whats that supposed to mean?

Maybe you didn't see it because it was at the bottom of my post, but I'll ask it again:

FSnake, whose side are you on?

Or maybe he doesn't understand what you mean. Cause i don't.
What do you mean 'whose side'?

[theslimer3]

It means the game will begin in full effect soon, my friend

[Didi]

Duly noted though that you came to his defense.

There something wrong with me 'coming to someones defence'? I saw your reason for being suspicious as a null tell and so i pointed it out. Would you rather i keep my mouth shut when i see something i dont agree with?

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.
But I'm not prohibiting you from talking, on the contrary, a silent town is a doomed town, so please, keep talking.

I am sticking a vote on you for now though because you're reacting overly defensive (in my eyes) to just a tiny bit of pressure.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Xegarus



FSnake, whose side are you on?

I would feel pressure over me 'coming to somones defence' about a null tell?
I don't quite understand where you are going with this.

Well, I just said I noted that you came to someone's defense. You immediately responded with rather aggressive remarks explaining your actions and stuff along the line of 'should I just shut up', trying to imply I want to shut people up. All of that seems overly defensive to me. I was indeed trying to apply pressure. I am not saying you would feel pressure per se. I am saying you reacted in a manner that seems suspiciously excessive and defensive to me.

Maybe you didn't see it because it was at the bottom of my post, but I'll ask it again:

FSnake, whose side are you on?

Or maybe he doesn't understand what you mean. Cause i don't.
What do you mean 'whose side'?

I just mean to ask if he's town or mafia. Oft times such a simple question and the subsequent answer to it can shed much light on the alignment of one, especially among the less experienced.

[Voodoo Lady]

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.

Some scumpairs stick up for each other and prevent each other from being lynched. But knowing that, some scumpairs instead try to distance themselves from each other so that if one slips up and is lynched, the other one won't come under suspicion.

Actually, I have a pair of questions for you, Didi: what do you mean by "right now", and what sides are there to be on?

[Voodoo Lady]

EBWODP: Ignore the question about the "whose side" part. Was ninja'd.

Actually, that brings up a better question-- if you were actively trying to pressure Xegarus, why are you surprised he's being defensive?

[Didi]

Ninja'd? It took you more than an hour to write that post? Explain yourself.


By right now, I mean that later in the game, IF there's a cop, he could stick up for people he has found to be innocent.
And pressure is a tool to see how people react. Usually, townies react cool because they have nothing to hide (or extremely angry if they are up for lynch because they are like 'wtf is this bullshit fuck you I'm not mafia'), and mafia react too defensive, flustered and try everything in their might to explain their actions.
So yes, I was trying to pressure Xegarus. However, his reaction seemed to me like overly defensive for the situation.

[theslimer3]

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.

Some scumpairs stick up for each other and prevent each other from being lynched. But knowing that, some scumpairs instead try to distance themselves from each other so that if one slips up and is lynched, the other one won't come under suspicion.

Actually, I have a pair of questions for you, Didi: what do you mean by "right now", and what sides are there to be on?

Actually, in the vast majority of my games, the scum pairs I've encountered, they've tried to keep apart or go against each other, rather than defend them.
However Xega seems like he was defending the RVS rather than me. If he was defending me, I'd be the subject of his rebuttal

[Voodoo Lady]

Ninja'd? It took you more than an hour to write that post? Explain yourself.

I left the window open and walked away from the computer for an hour. Whoops. Then when I saw the update notifier I missed the second part of your post and didn't realize you'd answered my initial question. My mistake, sorry.

The cop might stick up for player X who they've found innocent, but player X isn't necessarily going to stick up for the cop.

[Xiao Long]

I feel a storm brewing between Fsnake, Xega, and Xaio.

I am not so sure.
I think they're just trying to
get a reaction.

(Is MP5 still with us?)

[Didi]

Not in particular, though of course people who know eachother's allegiance to be the same are more likely to stick up for eachother, and right now that's only the mafia.

Some scumpairs stick up for each other and prevent each other from being lynched. But knowing that, some scumpairs instead try to distance themselves from each other so that if one slips up and is lynched, the other one won't come under suspicion.

Actually, I have a pair of questions for you, Didi: what do you mean by "right now", and what sides are there to be on?

Actually, in the vast majority of my games, the scum pairs I've encountered, they've tried to keep apart or go against each other, rather than defend them.
However Xega seems like he was defending the RVS rather than me. If he was defending me, I'd be the subject of his rebuttal

Yeah, I suppose that's true, for the first part. I'm not too sure about the second part.

Ninja'd? It took you more than an hour to write that post? Explain yourself.

I left the window open and walked away from the computer for an hour. Whoops. Then when I saw the update notifier I missed the second part of your post and didn't realize you'd answered my initial question. My mistake, sorry.

The cop might stick up for player X who they've found innocent, but player X isn't necessarily going to stick up for the cop.

Okay, np. Sounds legit.


And yes, ofc, since the Cop would know about X but not the other way around. That's obvious.

[MP5]

Phone post, still here but focusing on another game which was close to deadline.

Will explain my reason later when can get on my laptop.

[Xegarus]

However, his reaction seemed to me like overly defensive for the situation.

You for some odd reason mentioned that you were noting something. This is not town behaviour. You don't show your hand this early. You were just trying to bait the newbs to sheep you. Its far better for someone to keep this kinda thing to themselves and then to use it as evidence when needed. That is how I would expect someone with experiance to play.
Also, I'm not being 'overly defensive'. This is how I play. Meta me. If I see something that I dislike, regardless of who it is directed towards, I will speak up to it.

[Xegarus]

Forgot to mention
V/LA for 2 days. Will post if I get the oppurtunity.