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Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:09 am
by ɀefiend
hapahauli wrote:Of course.
However I don't understand why he would vote someone
on the basis that he hates RVS,
while effectively making an RVS vote of his own
.
A random vote is one that is made randomly, without reasoning or justification.
hp [leaves] placed his vote and gave a reason. Therefore, it isn't a random vote. Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part). The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it. This seems forced to me.
Vote: hapahauli
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:19 am
by GoodCopBadCop
VOTE: zefiend
I don't even know why I scumhunt anymore
the scum are just gonna jump out and say "Vote me! Vote me!"
-BadCop
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:38 am
by NicCage
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:53 am
by hapahauli
In post 50, ɀefiend wrote:hapahauli wrote:Of course.
However I don't understand why he would vote someone
on the basis that he hates RVS,
while effectively making an RVS vote of his own
.
A random vote is one that is made randomly, without reasoning or justification.
hp [leaves] placed his vote and gave a reason. Therefore, it isn't a random vote.
While this is my first game on this particular site (and I'm not as familiar with RVS as most), your statement above can't be right. In the "RVS" stage here, people frequently give random/bullshit reasons to vote people all the time (see ac1983fan's vote for someone being "french" or whatever). Those votes are clearly considered "random."
The problem with HP's vote is that it is critical of random voting while being effectively a random vote. And it's early Day 1, so that's as good as a reason to prod someone for more information as any.
Also...
Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part).
The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it.
This seems forced to me.
Vote: hapahauli
...did you just vote me for trying too hard?
Are you dumb or scum? Tell me which so I can adjust my vote accordingly.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:23 am
by Jake from Rainbowdash
@ Scott, you have been on this site a while, certainly long enough to know that not everyone votes in RVS and it certainly isn't a requirement. Why call it out?
Gonna try to remember to sign my posts
-J
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:41 am
by hapahauli
Jake, thoughts on any players other than Scott? Curious what you think of HP and Zefiend.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:49 am
by Jake from Rainbowdash
Personally annoyed with gcbc's personality but the 2 names that came up in our QT are NC and ACfan.
No real opinions on anyone else yet.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:49 am
by Jake from Rainbowdash
-J
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 11:52 am
by ɀefiend
hapahauli wrote:While this is my first game on this particular site (and I'm not as familiar with RVS as most), your statement above can't be right. In the "RVS" stage here, people frequently give random/bullshit reasons to vote people all the time (see ac1983fan's vote for someone being "french" or whatever). Those votes are clearly considered "random."
The problem with HP's vote is that it is critical of random voting while being effectively a random vote. And it's early Day 1, so that's as good as a reason to prod someone for more information as any.
If you construe hp [leaves] vote as random there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, as we have different interpretations of the term "random vote." To me, his vote was not meant as a joke.
To rephrase it a bit differently, I find the fact that you "find <<what hp [leaves] did>> scummy, or at the very least something worth pursuing" is pushing to force an issue that's simply not worth it.
hapahauli wrote:Also...
Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part).
The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it.
This seems forced to me.
Vote: hapahauli
...did you just vote me for trying too hard?
I never said you were trying too hard. To clarify, I am voting for you because I don't like the way you are going after hp [leaves]. I feel as though there is nothing there to warrant going after, and your pushing on it and questioning is unsettling.
hapahauli wrote:
Are you dumb or scum? Tell me which so I can adjust my vote accordingly.
Either-or fallacy. My vote stands.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 12:32 pm
by Jake from Rainbowdash
My turn to post!
Vote NC
This is a really bad post to start as it doesn't actually attack any of the logic that was presented as to why its scummy, but instead tries to deflect part of what he is being called for to another as well without really giving thoughts on hp or Toom.
This is a pretty ugly sheep. Apart from zef being one of my stronger town read at this point, it seems like more of a runaway vote following a vocal player who was calling him scum. I would love to actually see NC try and give reason for the vote before GCBC gives one (even though they probably both are missing reasons - zef is really town which anypony should see at this point).
I probably wont always remember to sign posts (chances are I wont sign anything) but if somepony cant tell us apart... well im not sure what else to say.
GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:17 pm
by hp [leaves]
In post 46, hapahauli wrote:So you want to policy lynch people who RVS. Given how many people do that on this site, you'd probably want to lynch off 90% of the forum.
Also, given the ease with which you moved your vote off, how is your vote any different from a random vote?
Yep, that's about right.
Well, I've found someone more worthy of my vote. So I moved it.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:21 pm
by hp [leaves]
I don't think it's ethical to force him into doing this. If he wants it he can, but we shouldn't push for it.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:28 pm
by hp [leaves]
If this is a miller softclaim, you better promote it into a full claim.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:21 pm
by hapahauli
In post 58, ɀefiend wrote:hapahauli wrote:While this is my first game on this particular site (and I'm not as familiar with RVS as most), your statement above can't be right. In the "RVS" stage here, people frequently give random/bullshit reasons to vote people all the time (see ac1983fan's vote for someone being "french" or whatever). Those votes are clearly considered "random."
The problem with HP's vote is that it is critical of random voting while being effectively a random vote. And it's early Day 1, so that's as good as a reason to prod someone for more information as any.
If you construe hp [leaves] vote as random there is nothing I can do to change your opinion, as we have different interpretations of the term "random vote." To me, his vote was not meant as a joke.
To rephrase it a bit differently, I find the fact that you "find <<what hp [leaves] did>> scummy, or at the very least something worth pursuing" is pushing to force an issue that's simply not worth it.
In regards to HP[leaves], his more
recent posts (click) are fairly cavalier to the whole thing, so you're probably right about it being more of a joke/troll.
##Unvote
In regards to "forcing an issue that's just not worth it" - I disagree. The goal of early Day 1 is to get information and start discussion. Sometimes that involves forcing things. Usually everything on Day 1 is forced to some extent, until it reaches the point where you can leverage *actual* suspicion on someone.
In post 58, ɀefiend wrote:hapahauli wrote:Also...
Whether or not you like his reasoning doesn't matter. Whether or not he's already changed his vote doesn't matter. You're misrepresenting his actions (see the italicized quoted part) in order to justify your confusion, or misunderstanding, or whatever (see the underlined quoted part).
The point is that you're trying to call his actions into question, but you're pushing too hard on it.
This seems forced to me.
Vote: hapahauli
...did you just vote me for trying too hard?
I never said you were trying too hard. To clarify, I am voting for you because I don't like the way you are going after hp [leaves]. I feel as though there is nothing there to warrant going after, and your pushing on it and questioning is unsettling.
Eh I can understand that a bit better. Anyway, there's no way for me to defend myself if you "didn't like" the way I went after HP, so w/e.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:27 pm
by GoodCopBadCop
In post 59, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:My turn to post!
Vote NC
This is a really bad post to start as it doesn't actually attack any of the logic that was presented as to why its scummy, but instead tries to deflect part of what he is being called for to another as well without really giving thoughts on hp or Toom.
This is a pretty ugly sheep. Apart from zef being one of my stronger town read at this point, it seems like more of a runaway vote following a vocal player who was calling him scum. I would love to actually see NC try and give reason for the vote before GCBC gives one (even though they probably both are missing reasons - zef is really town which anypony should see at this point).
I probably wont always remember to sign posts (chances are I wont sign anything) but if somepony cant tell us apart... well im not sure what else to say.
GCBC should headclaim too. Its amazingly anti-town to keep that hidden.
I'm not going to headclaim, my partner might but I'll let you know that enough information is attached to the posts made by this account to 100% identify our heads
I'll also let you know that I've played with both of you being scumbutts before
tell me why anypony should see that Zef is town
you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?
Cuz thats all I saw from Zef
I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport
-BadCop
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:36 pm
by hapahauli
Anyway I'm more concerned at this point with some of our 1-post-wonders right now,
Daemon385
and
Varsoon
.
In post 45, Varsoon wrote:All dese votes
I'm not going to RVS.
But Toomai put a vote on me and he jumped on that wagon real fast,
There's zero objective purpose to this post other than to "check-in" and push non-committal suspicion.
What's the point of coming in just to say you're not going to RVS? Also, that line on Toomai is pretty sketchy. It's this odd mix between a summary and passively pushing suspicion. It's like saying "Hey guys! You should be suspicious of Toomai!" while reaching no objective conclusion himself.
In post 28, Daemon385 wrote:Such an interesting start this fine day!
VOTE: Varsoon
Cause I like the way Toomai thinks
The most important thing about this post is that it shows that Daemon isn't reading the thread. Toomai
initially
had his vote parked on Varsoon, but had moved it before Daemon made this post.
It looks like Daemon skimmed the thread, plopped a vote down for the sake of blending-in, then skipped town.
Also, it wasn't an interesting start to the day
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:44 pm
by Jake from Rainbowdash
In post 64, GoodCopBadCop wrote:you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?
Cuz thats all I saw from Zef
I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport
I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.
Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.
Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:46 pm
by GoodCopBadCop
In post 56, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:Personally annoyed with gcbc's personality but the 2 names that came up in our QT are NC and ACfan.
No real opinions on anyone else yet.
lol this is SUCH a jake from statefarm post
-BadCop
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:47 pm
by GoodCopBadCop
In post 66, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote: In post 64, GoodCopBadCop wrote:you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?
Cuz thats all I saw from Zef
I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport
I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.
Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.
Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.
I'm gonna take my time and possibly vote for NC after reading 58
either way I voted for NC first so nyah nyah
-BadCop
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:49 pm
by Jake from Rainbowdash
sup BBmolla, didn't know you like to be the bad cop.
-J
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:55 pm
by hapahauli
In post 66, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote: In post 64, GoodCopBadCop wrote:you are a fan of long paragraphs containing rubbish aren't you?
Cuz thats all I saw from Zef
I like your reasoning on NicCage though, keep it up sport
I want to see NC fail to come up with logic for a vote first - less info I give him on where im coming from more likely it is he oversteps a boundary.
Zef is town though, the post you voted him on is townish but 58 is wow-town.
Your post didn't have a NC vote though. It should have.
Regarding Zef, I don't sense anything malicious in his push on me (mainly post 58), but "wow-town" is a bit of a stretch. Is there something I'm missing here? Short of some meta-read, the post seems pretty normal/null to me.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:04 pm
by hapahauli
Also regarding NC.... meh. I do want to hear his reasoning for voting Zef, but that vote seemed a lot to me like some early-game RVS antics rather than a serious vote. I don't think it's alignment indicative.
I prefer Daemon or Varsoon at this point for reasons stated above:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4930042
##Vote: Varsoon
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:16 pm
by GoodCopBadCop
wow you are quick to accuse
and slow to question
-BadCop
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:24 pm
by Jake from Rainbowdash
if I read your post right, you said that you have played with me and we were scum together. The number of completed scum games I have is, 2 I believe. process of elimination, you can't be sven so that leaves BBMolla or Primate. If you lied about being scum with me or I misinterpreted your statement, well yeah I am wrong.
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:44 pm
by GoodCopBadCop