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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:43 am
by goodmorning
In post 48, BROseidon wrote:Other than me and bork pushing RVS wagons and joking around, this is the first non-RVS point. What's interesting here is that goodmorning just makes a note to himself, but doesn't actually try to push the game out of RVS. That sits with me slightly poorly, because I definitely think that vote was something that goodmorning could have more explicitly used to push the game out of RVS.
Was going to answer this, but you answered it for me here:
I agree that the RVS jump back and forth was unusual, but there isn't intrinsically scum or town motivation behind it.
This feels like a strange thing to say. ffery points out why.
My opinion remains that she is quite good at this game.
That's actually why I think AA9 is a decent choice to wagon, because AA9 will probably use the wagon to generate content regardless of alignment.
I can already tell you what that "content" will be, if you care to know.
"WHAT I AM TOWN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME ALL THE PEOPLE VOTING ME ARE SCUM"
Not really game-specific. This is what she does when wagoned. I don't see it as helpful because I don't think anyone will take her seriously.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:07 am
by fferyllt
Nacho helped me figure out how to read AA9.
Interesting that nobody has commented about Amethyst Snowflake's miller claim.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:40 am
by Kdub
Interesting.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: MC RIDE
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:45 am
by goodmorning
In post 51, fferyllt wrote:Nacho helped me figure out how to read AA9.
Interesting that nobody has commented about Amethyst Snowflake's miller claim.
Plan to share?
I personally didn't take it seriously.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:55 am
by borkjerfkin
In post 49, MC RIDE wrote:AA9 wagon might end up funny and all but her reaction will be over the top and will leave us with so much uncertainity.
That said, I'm not good at reading her.
I really don't see a huge problem with that; something else of interest is bound to spin off from whatever transpires when she does finally show up.
That said, this is the first game I've been in where there has been so much (read: any) thought into motivation behind which player people vote in RVS and it's getting too meta/speculative to the point where it's simply not helping me figure anyone out.
Goodmorning wrote:I personally didn't take it seriously.
I'd rather talk about this.
Why wouldn't you take it seriously?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:59 am
by goodmorning
In post 54, borkjerfkin wrote:Goodmorning wrote:I personally didn't take it seriously.
I'd rather talk about this.
Why wouldn't you take it seriously?
Considering that it comes right after the "this is where the cool kids are" vote-revote post it was
A. not that interesting looking and
B. not that serious looking.
@hydra: Did you intend that to be a serious miller claim?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:28 am
by fferyllt
In post 53, goodmorning wrote: In post 51, fferyllt wrote:Nacho helped me figure out how to read AA9.
Interesting that nobody has commented about Amethyst Snowflake's miller claim.
Plan to share?
By example.
I personally didn't take it seriously.
It reminded me of another game I played with Mara. Not the claim itself, but the light deprecation of a partner. Thing is, GiF is a strong player so I am not sure why she would do that as a tactic.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:30 am
by fferyllt
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:33 am
by BROseidon
Was Mara town or scum in that game?
Also, I totally forgot about the miller claim and missed it when I basically skipped over the first few posts >.>
I tend to be inclined to believe miller claims. It's fairly standard play for a miller to day 1 claim and it's a fairly uncommon scumgambit, so just playing the numbers makes it more likely that AS is town. If I have strong reason to doubt that later, I will, but right now it's not like AS is being scummy.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:48 am
by fferyllt
She was scum.
Also, I totally forgot about the miller claim and missed it when I basically skipped over the first few posts >.>
I tend to be inclined to believe miller claims. It's fairly standard play for a miller to day 1 claim and it's a fairly uncommon scumgambit, so just playing the numbers makes it more likely that AS is town. If I have strong reason to doubt that later, I will, but right now it's not like AS is being scummy.
I tend to buy miller claims on day 1, too. The way this claim was made bothered me, though, like it could be an offhand rvs-phase joke rather than a serious claim.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:40 am
by Kdub
Nope, posts
24 and
49 ring hollow and weak in light of what multiple people have said about ArcAngel's meta.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:37 am
by Amethyst Snowflake
In post 51, fferyllt wrote:
Interesting that nobody has commented about Amethyst Snowflake's miller claim.
I think so too
In post 53, goodmorning wrote: In post 51, fferyllt wrote:Nacho helped me figure out how to read AA9.
Interesting that nobody has commented about Amethyst Snowflake's miller claim.
Plan to share?
I personally didn't take it seriously.
Why didn't you?
In post 55, goodmorning wrote: In post 54, borkjerfkin wrote:Goodmorning wrote:I personally didn't take it seriously.
I'd rather talk about this.
Why wouldn't you take it seriously?
Considering that it comes right after the "this is where the cool kids are" vote-revote post it was
A. not that interesting looking and
B. not that serious looking.
@hydra: Did you intend that to be a serious miller claim?
yes, I did. It's a serious claim
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:28 pm
by goodmorning
I like that I explained why I didn't take it seriously in the exact same post you quoted
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:37 pm
by fferyllt
In post 60, Kdub wrote:
Nope, posts
24 and
49 ring hollow and weak in light of what multiple people have said about ArcAngel's meta.
Have you done a meta dive? Has Mc Ride played games with her?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:48 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
In post 24, MC RIDE wrote:VOTE: Amethyst Snowflake for picking the most obvious, easy target for bandwagoning
dat miller vote
In post 39, fferyllt wrote:
Ok. I can't think of many games where I didn't draw at least a vote or two on day 1. Except for a couple of replace-ins. hmm.
I will eventually track this down.
I'm not sure if this is suspicion?
BRO's #48 is Town BRO, I think.
In post 49, MC RIDE wrote:AA9 wagon might end up funny and all but her reaction will be over the top and will leave us with so much uncertainity.
That said, I'm not good at reading her.
I'm not sure what the fixation on AA is about.
In post 59, fferyllt wrote:
I tend to buy miller claims on day 1, too. The way this claim was made bothered me, though, like it could be an offhand rvs-phase joke rather than a serious claim.
This was my concern with the claim, it looked to me like a claim that you could back out of if the situation required, but I guess that option isn't available anymore
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:49 pm
by TMTOLBTWNTOF
VOTE: MCRIDE
Out of the two posts, both are fixated on AA, and I'm going to do the recommended metadive.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:19 pm
by fferyllt
I am not suspicious of AS for that comment, exactly, though I wonder why she brought it up.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:21 pm
by fferyllt
MC RIDE has only one completed game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=28496
He hasn't played with AA9 before.
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:37 pm
by fferyllt
In post 24, MC RIDE wrote:VOTE: Amethyst Snowflake for picking the most obvious, easy target for bandwagoning
How do you know that she's an obvious and easy target?
In post 49, MC RIDE wrote:AA9 wagon might end up funny and all but her reaction will be over the top and will leave us with so much uncertainity.
Why do you think so?
That said, I'm not good at reading her.
I'm trying to line all this up with your not having played any games with her at MS. Do you play mafia with her on another site?
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:29 pm
by Ms Marangal
I think
that MC Ride
is someones Alt
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:30 pm
by Amethyst Snowflake
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:47 pm
by MC RIDE
I remember a time where I was almost lynched for making a case on her, so that's one thing. (I was mafia but whatever)
My gut says Snowflake is honest about her(their? I can't into pronouns) claim so UNVOTE:
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:48 pm
by MC RIDE
Also MsM is right, there's no way I'd make a main account that's a cheap impersonator of a great artist
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:02 pm
by MC RIDE
In post 50, goodmorning wrote:I can already tell you what that "content" will be, if you care to know.
"WHAT I AM TOWN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME ALL THE PEOPLE VOTING ME ARE SCUM"
Not really game-specific. This is what she does when wagoned. I don't see it as helpful because I don't think anyone will take her seriously.
this.
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:38 am
by Amethyst Snowflake
though, one of us is a complete failure at keeping alts hidden so it's prolly the other one
I am not suspicious of AS for that comment, exactly, though I wonder why she brought it up.
Because I wa being an idiot.
I guess Angel isn't coming here after all
