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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:26 am

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Ghostlin wrote:I also don't like this exchange. Kise initiates Monkey for reasoning, no matter how effacing it might be, and Monkey sort of dodges by saying he 'likes the avatar'. (I'm not thrilled that Kise didn't engage further, but I'm not sure how indicative this might be at this point.)

I didn't particularly like Kise's entrance either. it was essentially nothing but fluff (save maybe the first post) and it didn't really accomplish anything. I don't feel remotely strongly about it at this point, though.


Albert B. Rampage wrote:Monkeyman's posts are scummy.

when you answered my question were you referring to massive's post itself or what massive actually said in the post? if it's the former, I don't see what that has to do with this.
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:27 am

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massive wrote:Monkey, how can you even type the words "vote jester"? Just the idea makes my skin crawl. Probably his whole point, now that I think of it.

you think this is alignment indicative?

No, but I did think it was humorous.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:07 am

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Ghostlin wrote:I'm not thrilled that Kise didn't engage further

I left an opportunity for someone who noticed/you to do so. Why didn't you engage him on this? You picked up the same thing as me but are quick to run and fault me instead of pursuing an open door.
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:17 am

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Kise wrote:
Ghostlin wrote:I'm not thrilled that Kise didn't engage further

I left an opportunity for someone who noticed/you to do so. Why didn't you engage him on this? You picked up the same thing as me but are quick to run and fault me instead of pursuing an open door.


Do you
often
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My argument is that Monkey is opportunistic. If you agree; and it seems that you DO, why are you being passive about it? If you DON'T, why the fuck are we having this conversation?
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:20 am

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I don't understand the question.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:20 am

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You don't have to explain your question, it seems like a boring train of thought. Let's focus instead on bandwagoning monkeyman.
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:23 am

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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:26 am

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I'm willing to compromise being townread in order to get results - Namely, to have this back and forth with you that helps me read you. Again you paint me as a possible villain instead of interrogating MM.

It would have been simple to ask MM in all seriousness, "why did you pardon Kise but give a legit vote on Wal?"

Or, in post 48, you could have addressed to me by asking "why didn't you engage MM further?"

How would you have engaged MM if you were in my shoes?
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:38 am

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Kise wrote:I'm willing to compromise being townread in order to get results - Namely, to have this back and forth with you that helps me read you. Again you paint me as a possible villain instead of interrogating MM.

It would have been simple to ask MM in all seriousness, "why did you pardon Kise but give a legit vote on Wal?"

Or, in post 48, you could have addressed to me by asking "why didn't you engage MM further?"

How would you have engaged MM if you were in my shoes?


The point was less about you, and more than the fact that Monkey brushed you off. Your actual reaction is somewhat in ancillary except for the possible reasons:

1) Possible link between you and MM if MM flips scum (too soon to really tell this, and I don't have delusions on page 3 that MM is going to be the play today)
2) Possible continued passive reactions which could lead to not scum hunting (which is why I engaged you)

You, could have engaged Monkey with 'no, seriously, dude, if double posts bother you, it makes no sense to vote Wal and not me, why didn't you vote for/engage me' or even 'that seems like a lame reason
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to vote someone'. I'm more bugged that you were passive in saying that Monkey's avatar was cute and that you've placed a RVS vote on Sorcerer than actually engage with someone you found suspicious.

Do I believe you're scum? The fact you're willing to engage lends to the idea that you might fucking not be, but the fact that you're mildly passive bugs me a little. Not enough to vote you over it versus Monkey or Wal or even Jester.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:40 am

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EBWOP: And admittedly, it's not even bugged by that much; it may be chalked up to a difference in philosphy. When I'm town, I believe there's no point in being coy and going somewhat balls to the wall with the bullshit nuts and bolts of scum hunting, so much so that I don't see the point in pretending to even be subtle.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:46 am

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I'm liking Kise. I'm not liking Ghostlin after #58. It looks like a subtle way of backtracking to end the engagement instead of answering Kise's counterquestions.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:47 am

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ABR is ABR

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:04 am

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Walpurgisnacht wrote:I'm liking Kise. I'm not liking Ghostlin after #58. It looks like a subtle way of backtracking to end the engagement instead of answering Kise's counterquestions.


Except I told him how I would of engaged if I was in his shoes, and I didn't ask him the follow up question he asked me because my most
relevant point wasn't really about him.
Let's ignore the fact that you're not really engaging anyone directly at all, and just providing analysis in 60 while we're at not engaging people.

Although, you do have a valid point. There's a question I wanted to ask that I thought was obvious from the post, but I might as well fucking explicitly ask it:

Kise,
if you thought MM was shifty, suspicious, etc from that interaction, why do you still have what seems to be a reason-less bullshit vote on Sorcerer? And if it isn't a random, reason-less bullshit vote, why do you have it there?
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:10 am

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Those points are fine. I would have preferred that you pulled me into a conversation to help you understand my brush off. You listed 3 people you were currently scumhunting and then put my name as a bookmark of sorts. I know that note meant something or else I would have been left in the shadows.

My passiveness is due to seeing if anyone would give MM a chance or stay on his ass. You know his answer was bullshit but handled it in a way that leaves some loose ends. If you were his buddy, I wouldn't expect you to railroad him as you are, and I was looking for someone to pass off his remarks as RVS. However, I'm not comfortable with your failure to pursue the two of us < your contentment calling us both out on our exchange with no follow up.

If we're talking philosophy for a sec, I don't find much accuracy in D1 srs bsns, though I can't say it's a bad thing. It's just not my thing.

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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:19 am

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Ghostlin wrote:Kise, if you thought MM was shifty, suspicious, etc from that interaction, why do you still have what seems to be a reason-less bullshit vote on Sorcerer? And if it isn't a random, reason-less bullshit vote, why do you have it there?

I kinda mentioned in one of my other posts that I wanted someone else to step up and dig in MM's ass (and mine). I believe that if I voted MM at that time, it would have been too influential; too easy to piggyback/bus.

A Monkey lynch is a very likely possibility though so don't count your chickens before they hatch. :wink:
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:21 am

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Ghostlin wrote:I didn't ask him the follow up question he asked me because my most
relevant point wasn't really about him.


#53 suggested otherwise, and his follow up question to that post is how you would have engaged MM in his shoes. I don't understand how that computes, because it sounds like he's arguing in the same context you are here.

Ghostlin wrote:Let's ignore the fact that you're not really engaging anyone directly at all, and just providing analysis in 60 while we're at not engaging people.


I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:23 am

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what is the full name of Ank
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:30 am

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I'll comment on this later.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:32 am

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im unfamiliar with Ankamius
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:38 am

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Skype mafia?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:52 am

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Ghostlin wrote:
He literally jumps on the wagon to vote
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('you' being the hydra, not the individual parts), and then when the Jester cracks his self-vote joke, he jumps on them. Think about that for a minute. He jumps off someone who self-voted in RVS onto someone who was trying to be cute (or parodying. I wonder if Jester is one of those players who enjoys being the VI. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.).

If Monkey believed you were possibly scum for disliking self-voting, sincerely believed it, he would keep his vote on
you,
and not move it to Jester (who, at their worst is just trolling the game). He doesn't. He's just looking for easy targets, and VI/game trolling is pretty darn easy.

Unvote.
Vote: Monkey

This feels like grasping at straws and I don't like it. Are you seriously suggesting that Monkey thought it was possible that Jester would be quick-lynched because of his trolling?

Because, if you're not suggesting that, I fail to see the scum motivation behind what Monkey did.

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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:53 am

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Was also meant to ask; Jester, are you an alt of Boon?
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:08 am

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DrippingGoofball wrote:Ghostlin, MonkeyMan & myself.

Gamora is the only townie in that block.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:23 am

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BlueBloodedToffee wrote:This feels like grasping at straws and I don't like it. Are you seriously suggesting that Monkey thought it was possible that Jester would be quick-lynched because of his trolling?

Because, if you're not suggesting that, I fail to see the scum motivation behind what Monkey did.

it's not about whether someone will get lynched or not, it's about whether he ~actually~ believes what he's saying. he supposedly had a serious reason for me being scum, but then decided "lol nope I'll RVS instead", which doesn't make sense from a town POV. the scum motivation here is that he's trying to keep his vote on what he perceives as the least objectionable target. do you disagree?

what is your opinion on the Ghostlin x Kise shitstorm that's going on right now? it looks like you're reading both of them as scum and have not yet commented on it.

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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:25 am

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also Ank's Ghost/Kise reads are like backwards from mine. I think Ghostlin is prob town and am not liking Kise. more on this later once I get back home
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