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↑ FuDuzn wrote:Well this is going to be confusing as my real name is Dave.

I don't really buy the claim as legit, but I don't really see anything wrong with doing it though as an early reaction test. And my early vibe about sordos is not scummy.

Not so sure about other Dave though.

wow, dude. I have this crazy feeling you aren't going to lynch me this game.

↑ TierShift wrote:Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

It's not a question of believing or not believing the case. I don't know if we have all the information we can get before going to L-1.

↑ Cyrus wrote:I'm not seeing what's scummy about sordos's reaction, either.

I'm assuming Willow's "claim" was just a joke at this point, I think, because I honestly don't think we had a night start.

Thank you, that's my question. What about my reaction is scummy? I get the first vote, then I prod on it to see what happens. What would you have done?

(P-Edit - Well, you guys post fast. I'm splitting off the serious part of my post into a second one, so I can catch up. In the meantime, I refuse to be left out of the silliness entirely. )

↑ Whomping Willow wrote:VOTE: sordos

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Wait, RED letters? Obv-scum is obvious.

VOTE: Willow

↑ BRantz wrote:VOTE: VysePresident because I was right last time!

Well now, that's a stupid reason to vote for me.

Are you Willow's scum partner?

VOTE: BRantz

Willow has a better sense of humor. We'll lynch them last.

So, some first impressions.

@BRantz - Why no thoughts on the wagon? I'm kinda surprised to see you not weighing in here, especially compared to last game. Holding my vote for now.

(P-edit) @Dave - Then where are you leaning right now? I'm getting nothing more from you than

-I'm getting a mild scum read from sordos at this point, partly for the shift in tone Willow & Tier are referring to, but mostly because I don't like the way he was demanding a 'case' for an RVS vote, and for the possible intimidation attempt in 30. I'm not sold yet, but it's worth a raised eyebrow.

-I'm liking Tier at the moment. Willow's okay too. Give them both a couple Town points.

-At first glance, Dave's confusion is reading slightly Town to me. I'm going to need to gauge this one a little more though. Call him an iffy Null read for now.

Vyse wrote:(P-edit) @Dave - Then where are you leaning right now? I'm getting nothing more from you than

>_<

Let's make that - *"Then where are you leaning on sordos right now? I'm not getting anything concrete from your posts."

↑ davesaz wrote:

↑ TierShift wrote:Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

It's not a question of believing or not believing the case. I don't know if we have all the information we can get before going to L-1.

So you would vote him if it were not for it being L-2?

Vyse, from your posts I see you think sordos is the scummiest player atm. Why aren't you voting him?

I like Tier for town right now. I like Vyse too. And I'd like to echo his question: BRantz, what's your take on the wagon on sordos?

@Tier - Because I'm still gauging the game as a whole, and I distrust my early reads as a general rule. I'm not at my best in the period immediately following RVS.

More than that, though, I'm having more trouble swallowing BRantz's lack of input than you seem to realize. This feels really weird after playing with him last game, when he was fairly involved. It's not a scum read yet, but I could easily go there.

(3): Whomping Willow, mykonian, TierShift
(1): VysePresident
(1): BRantz
(1): davesaz
(1): Cyrus

(2): FuDuzn, sordros

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

: (expired on 2014-12-26 06:44:58)

↑ TierShift wrote:

↑ davesaz wrote:

↑ TierShift wrote:Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

It's not a question of believing or not believing the case. I don't know if we have all the information we can get before going to L-1.

So you would vote him if it were not for it being L-2?

This, so this.

Plus, this isn't a newbie game so I doubt anybody would quickhammer.

VOTE: davesaz

↑ davesaz wrote:

↑ TierShift wrote:Right, but you also said town could panic as well.
You effectively refuse to give an opinion on sor.

So, are you going to vote him, or call him town?

It's not a question of believing or not believing the case. I don't know if we have all the information we can get before going to L-1.

Except you've stated scumreads for tgose on the wagon so it is about (not) believeing the case

If I were scum, I'd vote without a second thought. It's a good bus position of sordros is my buddy and I'm also reasonably safe if it's a mislynch with 3 plausible scum on the wagon ahead of me. So someone needs a brushup on logic there.

There are two likely answers here.

a. sordros is scum, and mykonian and TierShift both got the point of Willow's play but acted like the claim was real for inexplicable reasons. Or they didn't get the fact that it wasn't a real cop guilty but stumbled onto the correct wagon.

b. sordros is town. One of mykonian and TierShift is opportunistic scum hoping to get a quick mislynch. Ordinarily I would think mykonian is the clear favorite because TierShift kept engaging, but there is also TierShift pressing really hard to vote now. Scum TierShift could by trying to get me to take the bait so that a scum buddy can hammer. It's very unlikely they are both scum.

A less likely option is that it's Willow who got two townies to bite and is looking for one more.

There is even the possibility that sordros and the whole wagon are town. There are still 4 other players and it's easy enough for two of them to be scum.

Willow, BRantz, and Vyse were all just in a newbie with me, where I did due diligence before acting. Willow, you of all people know that I think about it even when it's blindingly obvious. It's about being sure. And by waiting I am getting more information, which is good.

No, by voting you'd be getting more information, not by waiting.

You're still fencesitting an extreme amount.

Sure it does, lots of information. I already got some. Voting will give some too.
Right now I'm finding out that either I'll be the only one, or there will be someone is willing to hammer but is unwilling to L-1.
I'm finding out you want this really bad.

VOTE: sordros

UNVOTE:

Actually, I don't. But what better way to get the game started than with a huge three page reaction test?

Myko you have not been serious about sor at any point, have you?

sodros/dave gg

Why sor?

Tbh scum is probably within the fencesitters that all called me town

That includes cyrus, vysepresident and to a lesser extent fuduzn

Especially vyse who just agrees with what I'm saying but doesn't want to vote and instead wants to follow some shit meta excuse
VOTE: Vyse

How was I fence sitting? I said I didn't see what was scummy about Sor's reaction. I'll keep saying that I didn't see anything scummy about it.

I said I liked you for town because you seem to be actively scumhunting. I don't have to agree with you to think you're town.

Fine, whatever.

I bet there's scum in one of those four.

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