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You have a townread on someone who has made only 7 posts? Elaborate.

↑ Davsto wrote:You have a townread on someone who has made only 7 posts? Elaborate.

Don't you have a scumlean on someone who also has 7 posts (and had less when you stated scum lean)?
Also, I've stated a town lean on a player with one post.

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ Davsto wrote:You have a townread on someone who has made only 7 posts? Elaborate.

Don't you have a scumlean on someone who also has 7 posts (and had less when you stated scum lean)?
Also, I've stated a town lean on a player with one post.

Not a scum lean, they've just done one thing I'm not a fan of.
Also, you explained that, didn't you? At the end of 37

↑ Davsto wrote:You have a townread on someone who has made only 7 posts? Elaborate.

Because of the way he voted you, i know RVS wagons are a great way to get started and get out of RVS and i saw that as town motivated.

~Sakura

P-Edit: Yeah, I agree with Thor, why you have an issue with my townread on him and not an issue with his townread on Cataphant?
P-Edit2: That's an explanation? I disagree about that. He only said his thread came because of something thread related, never said what the thread specifically came from.

↑ Hecatia Lapislazuli wrote:never said what the

read

specifically came from.

Fixed that for me.

Oh, I assumed it was just some really clever townread because I didn't really understand it.

Explain your townread then, Thor, thanks.

↑ Davsto wrote:Explain your townread then, Thor, thanks.

I will if people start scum reading him - otherwise I don't get the point. It's not a conventional tell that people will likely buy into, so it's not like I would move him to town reads for many, so barring defense of him I don't see any reason to bother.

Ok, so my guess about Thor's townread on Cataphant was probably wrong.

~Sakura

Oh, apparently it was some really clever townread I don't understand.

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:@Thor: I found the aggression odd considering my post was pretty obviously a clarification and not a questioning of the read itself.

I disagree with your value call on what your comment looked like.
And what is "odd" in having aggression? Lots of Mafia players have high levels of real or faked aggression - I would thinkt hat would be very normal to see and, indeed, expected - no?

Like I already said, it seemed over the top. From my perspective, I was simply asking to clarify that you were applying both statements to that player. In response, you looked like you were freaking out about it. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, since I am the one who found it unusual.

Of course aggression is to be expected. Yours was out of place in my opinion.

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:It seemed over the top. I wanted to know if there was a personal reason for it or something else.

Nope, thread related.
It's a hydra of Bella and hiplop that didn't even claim which head had posted (though my guess would be hiplop) - I am not claiming deep meta insight into either of them and it would be weird of me to be able to extract a meta tell from that.
For the record I will never claim deep meta insight into anyone.

Not the read, the aggression.

↑ Thor665 wrote:Eh, I'm fine with this speed wagon as currently exists.

I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.

In contrast, I don't like Sakura.

ETL

Either you're sheeping or you're pushing. Which is it?

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:Of course aggression is to be expected. Yours was out of place in my opinion.

Why?

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:
I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.

In contrast, I don't like Sakura.

Said while...voting Davsto and not voting Hecatia.

I'm okay with lynching Concrete now too.

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:Of course aggression is to be expected. Yours was out of place in my opinion.

Why?

Because it seemed out of place. You can only go so basic in an explanation, Thor. It was inappropriate for the situation. It wasn't what I expected.

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:
I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.

In contrast, I don't like Sakura.

Said while...voting Davsto and not voting Hecatia.

I'm okay with lynching Concrete now too.[/quote]
I didn't even realize we were voting him. MS made that vote and I just got to the thread in the last couple hours.

UNVOTE:

In any case, why are you not at all interested in my reads?

ETL

I mean, are you trying to sort me or find a reason to lynch me?

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:Because it seemed out of place. You can only go so basic in an explanation, Thor. It was inappropriate for the situation. It wasn't what I expected.

You asked me to clarify if I town read someone after I stated I town read them.
Then you get miffed that I'm asking you to explain something that can't be made any simplier.
But if *I* got miffed at you it was scummy.

Hypocrisy?
This feels like hypocrisy.
How is it not?

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:I didn't even realize we were voting him. MS made that vote and I just got to the thread in the last couple hours.

Okay.

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:I mean, are you trying to sort me or find a reason to lynch me?

Same difference, really.

I remember you telling me how people usually find your prodding to be aggressive/arrogant/annoying.

"They just keep coming, more questions - why, why, why - until you don't even know who the fuck you are anymore! It's an INSANE DECONSTRUCTION."



p-edit - post.

Leaning town with dav.
Thor what is your issue about dav?

↑ Thor665 wrote:You asked me to clarify if I town read someone after I stated I town read them.
Then you get miffed that I'm asking you to explain something that can't be made any simplier.
But if *I* got miffed at you it was scummy.

Hypocrisy?
This feels like hypocrisy.
How is it not?

↑ farside22 wrote:Leaning town with dav.
Thor what is your issue about dav?

Lack of scumhunting and voting someone I thought was town - though not in that order.

Why do you lean town on him?

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:Because it seemed out of place. You can only go so basic in an explanation, Thor. It was inappropriate for the situation. It wasn't what I expected.

You asked me to clarify if I town read someone after I stated I town read them.
Then you get miffed that I'm asking you to explain something that can't be made any simplier.
But if *I* got miffed at you it was scummy.

Hypocrisy?
This feels like hypocrisy.
How is it not?

lol.... no man. I was confused because when I first read it, I thought you were talking about two different people and then I reread it and realized there was only one player named there, and then I didn't know if I just misread it or if you mistyped it, so I quoted you and asked to clarify for my own sanity, so I could understand what you were saying and evaluate that statement.

Then, in response, you make a pretty aggressive post. You answered the question, but it was the equivalent of me going "Hey man you got the time?" and you going "It's nearly one, why don't you have your own damn watch, huh? Are you trying to say something? Are you trying to undermine me? You fuck. Get a fucking watch!"

Like.. my reaction was "whoa.. okay.... I just wanted to clarify..."

And then you continue to spiral into "well why did you think that?" and I answer you, until I literally cannot answer you anymore.

and you call me a hypocrite for that... I literally... do not understand anymore. My question was answered. This is no longer productive.

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:I didn't even realize we were voting him. MS made that vote and I just got to the thread in the last couple hours.

Okay.

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:I mean, are you trying to sort me or find a reason to lynch me?

Same difference, really.

Not at all. Either your basic motivation is to figure out my alignment or it's to get rid of me. One is very clearly a town motivation and the other isn't.

ETL

p-edit - a post.

↑ Thor665 wrote:and voting someone I thought was town

Considering he asked you why you think they are town, have you considered that maybe he doesn't think they're town?
I don't think Davsto's town, but this seems like an odd logic for thinking Davsto's scum

~Sakura

↑ Davsto wrote:Meh. Maybe Sakura's I don't like that much, but I've never been one to read RVS well.

What's different about that one from the others?

↑ Davsto wrote:Not a scum lean, they've just done one thing I'm not a fan of.

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean at all.

My current issue with Davsto is that he apparently thinks my sheeping Thor was something he disliked, he asked me a couple of questions and left it at that, along with some fence sitty / wishy-washy stances.

~Sakura

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.

In contrast, I don't like Sakura.

ETL

Can you go into this please?

↑ Ankamius wrote:

↑ Concrete Angels wrote:I actually like his responses to Sakura at the moment.

In contrast, I don't like Sakura.

ETL

Can you go into this please?

It's been a while since I've played with Sakura, but my general impression was that she sheeps a lot because she has no confidence in her own reads. When she did it here, I didn't say anything about it for that reason.

However, she claims to be sheeping Thor, but at the same time she is attacking davsto and coming up with reasons to scumread him, while massaging Thor's ego and buddying him. Now, I don't know about you, but the reasoning usually comes BEFORE the vote/scumread, not after.

So... it looks pretty bad and I'm honestly just waiting to get with MS because he has more experience with her and notscience.