inspectorscout's Large Normal Review

[Firebringer]

I think with that change the game is more balanced.
It has my approval on that I think.

Ill let other reviewers chime in but I think thats good for a multiball.

Approved

EBOP

[inspectorscout]

Thanks!
I'll update the role PM's and post them in a minute!

[inspectorscout]

Spoiler: Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town PT cop

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Town PT Cop

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- At night, you may target a player. You will learn if that player has access to any PT's. This includes masonries, neighborhoods and mafia PT's.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town Mason

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Town Mason

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a masonry with [player] and [player], who are confirmed to be town to you (and you to them). You may talk at any time [here].

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town Doctor

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Town Doctor

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- At night, you may target a player. That player will be protected against all killing actions that night.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Town 2-shot Vigilante

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Town 2-shot Vigilante

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- Twice during the game, at night, you may choose to kill a player.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Black Mafia Goon

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Black Mafia Goon

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a factional kill with [name], Black Mafia 1-shot Rolestopper and [name], Black Mafia Neighborizer.
- You may talk with the other black mafia members here at night.

You win when your faction consists of at least half of the living players, or when nothing can prevent this from happening, AND when all members of the white mafia are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Black Mafia Neighborizer

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Black Mafia Neighborizer

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a factional kill with [name], Black Mafia Goon and [name], Black Mafia 1-shot Rolestopper.
- You may talk with the other black mafia members here at night.
- At night, you may add a player to your neighborhood, where you may talk at any time. Your neighborhood is [here].

You win when your faction consists of at least half of the living players, or when nothing can prevent this from happening, AND when all members of the white mafia are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: Black Mafia 1-shot Rolestopper

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

Black Mafia 1-shot Rolestopper

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a factional kill with [name], Black Mafia Neighborizer and [name], Black Mafia Goon.
- You may talk with the other black mafia members here at night.
- Once during the game, at night, you may target a player. Any and all other actions targeting that player will fail that night.

You win when your faction consists of at least half of the living players, or when nothing can prevent this from happening, AND when all members of the white mafia are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: White Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

White Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a factional kill with [name], White Mafia Neapolitan and [name], White Mafia Goon.
- You may talk with the other white mafia members here at night.
- You will survive 1 kill attempt at night. You will not be notified when this prevented your death.

You win when your faction consists of at least half of the living players, or when nothing can prevent this from happening, AND when all members of the black mafia are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: White Mafia Goon

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

White Mafia Goon

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a factional kill with [name], White Mafia Neapolitan and [name], White Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof.
- You may talk with the other white mafia members here at night.

You win when your faction consists of at least half of the living players, or when nothing can prevent this from happening, AND when all members of the black mafia are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

Spoiler: White Mafia Neapolitan

Welcome to Large Normal [number]!

You are a

White Mafia Neapolitan

.
Abilities:
- During the day, you may vote to lynch.
- You share a factional kill with [name], White Mafia Goon and [name], White Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof.
- You may talk with the other white mafia members here at night.
- At night, You may investigate a player. You will learn if they are a Vanilla Townie or not.

You win when your faction consists of at least half of the living players, or when nothing can prevent this from happening, AND when all members of the black mafia are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this message with your alignment and role.

[inspectorscout]

1x White Mafia Goon
1x White Mafia Neapolitan
1x White Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

1x Black Mafia Goon
1x Black Mafia Neighborizer
1x Black Mafia 1-shot Rolestopper

3x Town Mason (1 masonry)
1x Town Doctor
1x Town 2-shot Vigilante
1x Town PT-Cop
6x Vanilla Townies

[mastin2]

The only thing I'd question is having the slight inconsistency between the town doctor (blocks ALL kills, meaning their target still lives if all three of vig/mafia kill them) and the 1x Bulletproof (blocks only the first kill, meaning if targeted by the vig and the other mafia the same night they'll still die). However, I this is not something I'd consider a big deal and I'd pass it as-is, though I thought I'd raise awareness of it.

Also, interactions need to be defined: as unlikely as it'd be, what happens if the rolestopper targets the 1x BP while the 1x BP still has their vest, and the 1x BP is nightkilled? Is the vest used up, or does the rolestop trump the bulletproof vest? Same question for the doctor: does the doctor trump the bulletproof, or does the bulletproof get used up and the doctor only apply when needed?

If you can provide an answer for those interactions, I think you should be good.

[inspectorscout]

As rolestopper stops all other actions targeting their target, the nightkill is blocked by that. The bulletproof will not lose it's vest.

A doctor is additional protection. As such, it stops the kill before the vest is needed.

I'll post an action resolution in a few minutes.

[inspectorscout]

NAR (from top to bottom and left to right):

Rolestopper
Doctor, bulletproof
Neighborize
Nightkill + vig (although resolved after everything else)
Pt cop, neapolitan

[inspectorscout]

Final bump (?)

[Firebringer]

I am pretty sure that follows normal guidelines for NAR....
I thought that vest was always applied first before doc heal?

[inspectorscout]

I don t know. Is there a general consensus for that?

[Firebringer]

As far as I know, no.

[Aeronaut]

1x White Mafia Goon
1x White Mafia Neapolitan
1x White Mafia 1-shot Bulletproof

1x Black Mafia Goon
1x Black Mafia Neighborizer
1x Black Mafia 1-shot Rolestopper

3x Town Mason (1 masonry)
1x Town Doctor
1x Town 2-shot Vigilante
1x Town PT-Cop
6x Vanilla Townies

This is the final setup right?

[Aeronaut]

Can the black mafia RS use the rolestop on his buddies?

[inspectorscout]

Yes and yes.

[Aeronaut]

Hmm.. Black maf still might have an edge because that's a pretty powerful role, but I suppose it is just one shot.

That's also a shitton of power in the town with those masons, but i guess not compared to the power in the scum teams. I'd say it's probably balanced, but definitely pretty swingy.

[inspectorscout]

Masons are indeed strong, but with 2 kills and only 1 protective, they'll die as soon as they claim, I think.
I could change the rolestopper into a roleblocker (1-shot, of course) but I think it's alightly too weak. Also, 9/10 it will be used as 1-shot bulletproof anyway.

[Aeronaut]

/pass

[inspectorscout]

Thank you!

I'll poke mastina.

[mastin2]

My approval was already implicit once you gave your clarifications--that was all I needed to see, and I'm satisfied with your answers. I'll take responsibility for anything missed and say that I, too, am passing it.

[Firebringer]

mastin do you know what is normally applied first? Doc or Vest?

[inspectorscout]

and can I actually mod this concurrently with a micro with just 1 game experience?

[mastin2]

mastin do you know what is normally applied first? Doc or Vest?

I can't speak objectively there. My personal bias is to apply the doctor first, but some might disagree. I BELIEVE it's up to the moderator, that the NRG hasn't set in stone a hardfast "this interaction MUST be done in THIS way", so in this case I'm deferring to the judgment of the moderator, inspectorscout.

[Nexus]

mastin and FB, we good to go?

[mastin2]

Should be!

[Firebringer]

mastin and FB, we good to go?

Yeah I'm fine as is.