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In post 3223, mastina wrote:

In post 3222, DVa wrote:

In post 2739, DVa wrote:I kinda feel like Voyeur is the type of named role NRG would throw into a setup because someone was complaining it felt just a touch scumsided so it could very well actually be out of place.

You're not wrong! You were dead on the money; that is precisely what happens in a ton of setups.

Most setups have core roles inherent to their key design, and then satellite roles designed to fine-tune the balance; voyeur is a frequent satellite role. (Because in of itself, a voyeur with no modifiers is almost useless; it can have

some

utility, albeit limited, but it is never a role which will on its own singlehandedly give a faction a huge advantage. Making it perfect to give an extra "oomph" to the town or mafia, without significantly overpowering either.)

Of course, these rules go out the window when you adjust the setup's starting size or the queue, since larger/smaller games and games that aren't Normal use inherently different standards (or in the case of themes, no standards at all), but it's a nifty guideline which will always serve you well.

In post 3224, mastina wrote:(Generally speaking, it is really, really hard to design a 13-player Normal that's a balanced game, low on swing, where literally every single role as-is, is equally essential to game balance...particularly because them being equally essential to game balance makes the game susceptible to breakage via massclaim, in that if the town can tell every single town role as-claimed is essential to game balance, it's too self-confirming. So designers compromise in some areas, to preserve the integrity of the most important areas.)