Newbie 1973 | Mountain | Over

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 1.02

Cuernos del Paine, Andes, Chile

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Gyro Zeppeli

(3): Ph0enix, CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower

Ph0enix

(1): Gyro Zeppeli

Not Voting

(5): EspeciallyTheLies, Nomanssky101, ArthurConyl, chazary, Farren

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-21 08:00:00).

Mod notes:

Nomanssky101 has (expired on 2019-12-13 08:00:00) to confirm before I will start looking for a replacement.[/area]

[ArthurConyl]

Well it looks like Ph0enix voted Gyro back after Gyro voted him, but how come CheekyTeeky and PenguinPower voted for Gyro?

[CheekyTeeky]

Im just gonna say at least 1 of my voters are scum for sure, and Phoenix’s reaction of instantly voting me back seems cool beans

That leaves PP or myself. So just how sure are you that there is at least 1 scum between us?

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Im just gonna say at least 1 of my voters are scum for sure, and Phoenix’s reaction of instantly voting me back seems cool beans

That leaves PP or myself. So just how sure are you that there is at least 1 scum between us?

Fag0enix could also be scum with his vote back but i got more doubt on that cuz i would’ve done the same as him.
But im p sure one of my other 2 voters are scum, there’s 0 reason to start a mini wagon like that especially if no clear proper reasonings?

[CheekyTeeky]

, i do a joke vote on Fag0enix

Homophobic slurs are not tolerated on this site jsyk. I don't get the joke about returning to ToS? I guess this wasn't a case of mistaken identity then?

[CheekyTeeky]

there’s 0 reason to start a mini wagon like that especially if no clear proper reasonings?

Why would town start a wagon for no reason?

[Gyro Zeppeli]

, i do a joke vote on Fag0enix

Homophobic slurs are not tolerated on this site jsyk. I don't get the joke about returning to ToS? I guess this wasn't a case of mistaken identity then?

Fag is a compliment where I’m from


Phoenix uses the Tos forums too

[Gyro Zeppeli]

there’s 0 reason to start a mini wagon like that especially if no clear proper reasonings?

Why would town start a wagon for no reason?

I dont know why would they? Hence why my 2 extra votes on me make no sense

[CheekyTeeky]

there’s 0 reason to start a mini wagon like that especially if no clear proper reasonings?

Why would town start a wagon for no reason?

I dont know why would they? Hence why my 2 extra votes on me make no sense

Just like an RVS vote, RVS wagons can generate information from the reactions of both the wagonee and others jumping on or/refraining from voting. It's a fairly common opening.

To break it down further, you were voted by Phoenix in retaliation to your RVS. I found your opening a bit too standard and jumped on to see what would happen. I can only assume PP added further pressure intentionally as town (if he is town). The Farren discussion about my vote and thoughts started real game content. I mean we could sit around placing votes and fluff posting in RVS all day but I prefer to exit RVS quickly.

Your reaction to the wagon is fairly typical for a newer player so it's hard to gauge if anything you've done is AI yet. If you're not scum who would be the next best person to wagon?

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Small Pp is prob maf then imo, i see a 3rd vote as needless pressure

[Ph0enix]

Phoenix uses the Tos forums too

Again, you are mistaken. But I guess the username is kinda common.

Small Pp is prob maf then imo, i see a 3rd vote as needless pressure

Same, honestly. I voted you just because you voted me, no other reason. However, seeing that you're L-2 right now is bothering me. I know RVS is a thing that exists, but still, it's a bit much considering we have no leads. And apparently none of the other two are willing to withdraw their votes despite all of this, which, to be fair, is questionable, so...

UNVOTE: Gyro Zeppeli

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Fair nough, u have the exact same username as someone else then

[PenguinPower]

Although with three people voting the same person, I think it's safe to say we've moved on from that point by now. Mildly annoyed with myself for not realizing Gyro was at L-2.

I don't think that 3 people voting for the same person necessitates that we are out of RVS; however, I do think the discussion between you and Cheeky has helped to push us out.

[PenguinPower]

After reading some of PenguinPower's past ISOs (Micro 898, Alisae v Pine), I think I'm okay with PenguinPower.

Probably should just point out for transparency's sake...I tend to play differently in the Newbie queue (though it's been two years) than I do outside of the Newbie queue. For example, you won't see my typical GIF responses. Take that as you will (also Alisae v Pine is not a good game to get my scumgame from since my play was heavily coached by Pine).

[PenguinPower]

Well it looks like Ph0enix voted Gyro back after Gyro voted him, but how come CheekyTeeky and PenguinPower voted for Gyro?

I like wagons.

[PenguinPower]

Homophobic slurs are not tolerated on this site jsyk.

Just going to +1 this. Please don't do it.

[PenguinPower]

Small Pp is prob maf then imo, i see a 3rd vote as needless pressure

Why do you see it as needless? I see it as the exact opposite.

However, seeing that you're L-2 right now is bothering me. I know RVS is a thing that exists, but still, it's a bit much considering we have no leads.

Same question. If we have no leads, how would you prefer we go about trying to get them?

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Homophobic slurs are not tolerated on this site jsyk.

Just going to +1 this. Please don't do it.

Пидорас

[Ph0enix]

However, seeing that you're L-2 right now is bothering me. I know RVS is a thing that exists, but still, it's a bit much considering we have no leads.

Same question. If we have no leads, how would you prefer we go about trying to get them?

I mean there's only so much information you can get on Day 1, let alone from one particular person on Day 1. If you haven't withdrawn your vote yet, I will assume you think there's something more we can learn from Gyro. I'm not sure that's the case but you may have a valid reason to think so and I would be glad to hear it.

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Also is it just me being ignorant/inattentive or have these guys been pretty quiet or inactive:
ArthurConyl
Nomanssky101
chazary
EspeciallyTheLies (SE)

[PenguinPower]

However, seeing that you're L-2 right now is bothering me. I know RVS is a thing that exists, but still, it's a bit much considering we have no leads.

Same question. If we have no leads, how would you prefer we go about trying to get them?

I mean there's only so much information you can get on Day 1, let alone from one particular person on Day 1. If you haven't withdrawn your vote yet, I will assume you think there's something more we can learn from Gyro. I'm not sure that's the case but you may have a valid reason to think so and I would be glad to hear it.

Granted there is limited information that you can obtain during Day 1, but Day 1 is also one of the most important days for analysis once you get to later game phases - and especially after a red flip. There is also VCA ("Vote Count Analysis") that can be done in later phases, where you look at who voted where and when and what was happening around those votes. This tends to provide good information, and you can make educated guesses about what scum would tend to do.

For example: If Gyro flipped scum today, we could go back and look at who put him to L-1 during an RVS wagon and think, "Would scum really put their partner being at L-1 and risk a hammer that early in the game?" Of course, we didn't get there, so...

VCA is one reason I really like wagons. Votes mean more than words, and a harder to manipulate.

[Plotinus]

Russian slurs are also not allowed on this site.

[Ph0enix]

Also is it just me being ignorant/inattentive or have these guys been pretty quiet or inactive:
ArthurConyl
Nomanssky101
chazary
EspeciallyTheLies (SE)

Arthur's posted a few times. The other ones are quiet, yes.

Granted there is limited information that you can obtain during Day 1, but Day 1 is also one of the most important days for analysis once you get to later game phases - and especially after a red flip. There is also VCA ("Vote Count Analysis") that can be done in later phases, where you look at who voted where and when and what was happening around those votes. This tends to provide good information, and you can make educated guesses about what scum would tend to do.

For example: If Gyro flipped scum today, we could go back and look at who put him to L-1 during an RVS wagon and think, "Would scum really put their partner being at L-1 and risk a hammer that early in the game?" Of course, we didn't get there, so...

VCA is one reason I really like wagons. Votes mean more than words, and a harder to manipulate.

Fair point, but until you convince me there's more to learn about Gyro at the moment, I prefer to hear one of the quieter guys, as noted in Gyro's post.

VOTE: chazary

[Gyro Zeppeli]

Russian slurs are also not allowed on this site.

Mama mia, this is so sad

[Gyro Zeppeli]

VOTE: Nomanssky101

Bro, tell me why?