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In post 29, Iconeum wrote:

In post 27, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:

In post 22, Iconeum wrote:

In post 20, Atarashi Hajimari wrote:So far iconeum and Doobie have been the only two to not throw out a rvs vote on their first post.

and what do you conclude from this?

Nothing. Yet.

you found the need to call it out but don't conclude anything from it? that's called shading

VOTE: atarashi

Agree. I get a bad vibe from the post. It sounds to me more like Information Instead of Analysis. Like you say, its a just a generic state of play rehash without actually bringing town closer to deciding a lynch.

Worst yet, Atarashi doubles down that they haven't made a conclusion . As if its some golden nugget that will reap some mysterious rewards later.

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VOTE: Iconeum

In [url=[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11638894#p11638894]post 10[/url], Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

Vote: Doobietime

Welcome have a vote.

Hi! Thanks. I'll assume it's not personal at this stage.

@GuiltyLion, @72offsuit, took me a few attempts to find a photo which was small enough but I sacrificed my original idea and found an (albeit less funny) one to fit

72, I was actually going to wait for a few replies as I like to observe people before interacting with them- however I got impatient and wanted to get things started.

In [url=[url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11639115#p11639115]post 18[/url], Lotus Aura wrote:Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

Thank you haha! I'm sure I'll experience a first day lynch/NK at some stage. I'm more concerned with keeping up with everything!

Thanks for the kind welcomes and offers of advice, everybody. I've read the thread so far and there aren't that many conclusions to be drawn for me.

I'm voting Iconeum because when Atarashi justified their comment by saying Lotus did the same thing and therefore should have been scumread too, Iconeum changed their vote. Is 'well if I'm scum then definitely scum' a good enough reason for an SE to change their vote? Isn't this supposed to be a more or less random voting stage? We have nothing to go on.

Also I feel as though the observations both Atarashi and Lotus made were both making notes for later in the game, a town indicator for me for now. Another reason why Iconeums voting attitude is confusing me.




By the way, is this post too long? I tried to shorten it, but, I'm a wordy person. Always open to feedback.

In post 16, 72offsuit wrote:

In post 9, GuiltyLion wrote:hello Doobietime, welcome! You should get an avatar for your profile when you have a minute, it'll make it easier to remember your posts

VOTE: Iconeum
did you roll scum this time?

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Wow, fail didnt see this post in my rush to post lol

I think this is slightly town indicative from 72offsuit - generally I think scum are more likely to read every post first before deciding what to do, whereas townies are more likely to immediately start posting before reading everything

In post 18, Lotus Aura wrote:A bit more seriously is that Doobie straight up admitted this was her first game ever, and that's pretty cool. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya, but I'm not gonna vote for her during D1 unless she does something super scummy at any point. Just so she can actually play the game a bit, y'know?

I have mixed feelings about this one - it feels like Lotus is trying to buddy the thread a little bit, playing a little too nice. Do you think Doobie is town?

In post 37, Lotus Aura wrote:Unlike Ico, I don't think this is worth a serious vote on its own- especially at the start of D1 - but it is definitely something that I hope doesn't get forgotten as the day progresses.

I disagree with this, I think the start of D1 is the best time to vote people for relatively light accusations. A vote right now doesn't necessarily mean you want to see that player dead, it is more a vehicle to create pressure and force the entire game to react to your vote. We learn a lot more when we create wagons than we do when we simply "note" things.

In post 52, 72offsuit wrote:Agree. I get a bad vibe from the post. It sounds to me more like Information Instead of Analysis. Like you say, its a just a generic state of play rehash without actually bringing town closer to deciding a lynch.

Worst yet, Atarashi doubles down that they haven't made a conclusion yet. As if its some golden nugget that will reap some mysterious rewards later.

Do you have any thoughts about all of Atarashi's subsequent posts? I agree the original post lacks intent (as discussed), but I don't really scumread any of their questions/explanations afterwards.

Couldn't the "yet" also indicate that even though Atarashi doesn't know what to conclude right now, they did genuinely think it was worth posting?

In post 56, Doobietime wrote:By the way, is this post too long? I tried to shorten it, but, I'm a wordy person. Always open to feedback.

I don't think your post was too long, but it is always worth thinking about whether you can make your posts more concise in case they start getting longer! In my experience people generally respond more to shorter posts, separated out by line of conversation or topic.

Doobietime wrote:By the way, is this post too long? I tried to shorten it, but, I'm a wordy person. Always open to feedback.

Nah, I wouldn't worry too much about the length. Seems fine to me.

The point about Ico switching vote when and how he did is a pretty good one, in my opinion. Not just with Atarashi's "what about" argument, but it just doesn't flow coherently in context either. Asking for Atarashi's reasoning for why he thinks I'm scummy, getting an argument that does boil down to "if you think I'm scummy, then so are they" and then... Ico switches vote. With no further comment or explanation. On its own that rubs me as very off, but the greater context is even more telling. Namely, thanks to 7/2's initial jokevote, Ico's pushed me to -2. Luckily any even halfway competent scum would not pounce on that at the start of D1, so like I don't feel threatened by it at all.

But, Ico, ol' buddy, ol' pal, do us all a favour here and explain yourself, yeah? You were looking pretty okay in my mind, but combining the immediate vote on Atarashi over something that is a good point but a weak case and then a naked vote following an argument that is fundamentally worse is, frankly, incredibly bad.

Honestly I'm not getting a ton of scumvibes from anything major so far, I thought the push on Atarashi was overall worth probing but I don't think Atarashi comes off as scummy in the follow up. 72offsuit came to the wagon a little late and I'm curious to hear their answer to my question but I also don't think they're particularly scummy either.

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VOTE: Elmo the AzN

their RVS comment about me feels awkward considering they voted elsewhere, and it's not clear from 55 whether they're read the thread or not. I think townies are slightly more likely to say whether they have or haven't read anything.

In post 61, Lotus Aura wrote:Namely, thanks to 7/2's initial jokevote, Ico's pushed me to -2. Luckily any even halfway competent scum would not pounce on that at the start of D1, so like I don't feel threatened by it at all.

You sound a little threatened by it, lol

I have some other thoughts but I'll let Ico respond first

In post 57, GuiltyLion wrote:I have mixed feelings about this one - it feels like Lotus is trying to buddy the thread a little bit, playing a little too nice. Do you think Doobie is town?

Can write that one off as a difference in play value, then. I did say in that very same post that if she acted scummy enough to be my top read (albeit in less words), that'd still take priority. As a general rule, I think folks who sign up to play a game should get the opportunity to play that game. And it's only for D1 anyway, which is generally more chill.

And given her first post, it'd be impossible to gauge sincerely there. After her post above, though, I'm definitely thinking that she's leaning Town.

In post 58, GuiltyLion wrote:I disagree with this, I think the start of D1 is the best time to vote people for relatively light accusations. A vote right now doesn't necessarily mean you want to see that player dead, it is more a vehicle to create pressure and force the entire game to react to your vote. We learn a lot more when we create wagons than we do when we simply "note" things.

This, though, is definitely a difference in playstyle. A single vote at the start of D1 is absolutely not creating pressure. Later days, yeah, absolutely, but not right now. Once jokephase is over and serious votes start, that's generally making a statement that you are making a legitimate scum read. In my mind, that means you have an actual reason to think what you think a bit more than a gut feel or what have you. Yeah, D1 is going to be relatively light accusations, but that's because it's D1 and there's less to work with; that doesn't mean it deserves less effort though.

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