In post 40, Hel wrote:Get off your copper high horse, Titus. Wheat is superior in every way. What you going to do when the war comes and food runs low, huh? I'll be here with my delicious wheat while you can try munching down on your precious copper.
I take my copper blade, stab you, and then use it to harvest wheat.
Nah, no way you're getting to me if I'm surrounded by all this wheat. It's like a full body armor suit.
In post 40, Hel wrote:Get off your copper high horse, Titus. Wheat is superior in every way. What you going to do when the war comes and food runs low, huh? I'll be here with my delicious wheat while you can try munching down on your precious copper.
I take my copper blade, stab you, and then use it to harvest wheat.
In post 6, Umlaut wrote:What's the best way to handle shipments? Should we spread out more or less evenly across them? Should we order the scummiest person to ship copper all on their own?
I mostly play normal games (and open games that might as well be normal) so if there's theory around this kind of mechanic I'm not familiar with it.
I've never played a setup like this before and I need to do a lot more ~ thinking ~ but these were my initial takes:
- Overall, it seems like Town has to juggle gathering enough information to find at least 2 smugglers, while also preventing scum from obtaining enough information to find the TD
- From a 'deny information regarding the TD' standpoint, the worst case scenario for scum is for them to be split across all three shipments, this gets them no closer to finding the TD
- Therefore I suspect scum will try to avoid at least one shipment, to aim to clear some number of townies as
not
TD, even if it means those townies are also conftown
- This leads me to be thinking about if the ideal way for town to play would be to check a shipment of 3 or 4 people each night, hoping to hit tea (but no TD), and then eliminate from within that pool - I haven't crunched any numbers on this at all though
- The only way to definitively avoid TD being in the pool is for PA to claim and organize the shipments. I'm not sure if this is ideal though bc PA would then have to be extremely careful/guarded about all reads that they give, and it would also mean the game kinda becomes 'follow the IC' to a degree which I'm not sure would be all that fun either.
So in my mind, I'm thinking about whether the PA should claim and at what point. I do kinda gutfeel if we start to get close to PoEing by like Day 3 or Day 4, the PA should claim and organize the last shipment or two to avoid outing the TD. Or if we're feeling really confident (eliminated a Smuggler D1 or something), we could collectively just rerun a shipment of already town cleared.
There's also the question of whether the PA should ever decline to check a shipment to WIFOM the scums, but I haven't put a ton of thought into that yet. It's a move to consider though.
My problem with the PA outting early is that scum will know who they're trying to drive executions away from
I feel like we should make them have to work for it
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:04 am
by username
I don't know how the titus quote ended up in there but oh well
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:05 am
by notscience
In post 43, Menalque wrote:I think we should talk about the tomboy daughter as little as possible
Yes please I’m very self concious
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:10 am
by maxwell
In post 29, Menalque wrote:We’re gonna have to try really hard to play off my opening post as a joke datisi otherwise we’re gonna lose lmao
Sure as hell hope it is or this game is going to be a colossal waste of time.
vote:Titus
bad second post.
In post 42, Hel wrote:I think we want to check like 3 or 4 people we think are not Tomboy Daughters. Getting clears on everyone in the inspection is more valuable than getting a Tea result.
Exactly what I was going to say. The idea should be to select a smallish pool of people we think are town (I'd cap it at 5 but that's an arbitrary guess on my end), and check that. We get it right and it narrows down the PoE on later days. From there I think the strategy becomes follow the clear which is unfortunate but is just the nature of the setup. If we get it wrong, we at least get a narrow elimination pool for day 2. If I
had
to pick 1 name to be in the check right now I guess I'd go with Iconeum.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:12 am
by Maki Harukawa
I can't believe I got dragged into something this stupid. Whatever, let's just get this over with so I can get back to doing important things.
Execute: Titus
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:14 am
by Alisae
Ego I’ll probably play later
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:16 am
by Maki Harukawa
In post 42, Hel wrote:I think we want to check like 3 or 4 people we think are not Tomboy Daughters. Getting clears on everyone in the inspection is more valuable than getting a Tea result.
This strategy is extremely risky just as it is valuable. If we mess up even once we're doomed. Plus, the fact scum have lower number is actually an advantage in a setup like this. I don't know if betting the game on 3/4 clear every day is a good idea. Maybe for day 1, but that's it.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:18 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 58, Menalque wrote:Fun fact: I am scumreading exactly one (1) person who has posted so far
OH, It's me? IT'S ME ISN'T IT?
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:19 am
by notscience
Weebs put your pics in spoilers I don’t wanna waste all my data
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:20 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Who are these random unknown people i've never seen wagoning me.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:21 am
by Hel
I will policy-lynch Maki Harukawa if she stops using the pics.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:22 am
by NorwegianboyEE
Fun fact, i've got a folder of anime girl reaction pics too. But i've never had the guts to do the gimmick in a mafia game yet.
In post 42, Hel wrote:I think we want to check like 3 or 4 people we think are not Tomboy Daughters. Getting clears on everyone in the inspection is more valuable than getting a Tea result.
This strategy is extremely risky just as it is valuable. If we mess up even once we're doomed. Plus, the fact scum have lower number is actually an advantage in a setup like this. I don't know if betting the game on 3/4 clear every day is a good idea. Maybe for day 1, but that's it.
Realistically, we have to stop investigating after 1 clear set if we go that way imo. If we hit a second clear set, scum would find the TD.
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:24 am
by username
In post 68, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Who are these random unknown people i've never seen wagoning me.
if they're anything like me they're thinly veiled alts of long-standing players
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:25 am
by Maki Harukawa
In post 67, notscience wrote:Weebs put your pics in spoilers I don’t wanna waste all my data
After the amount of time I've put editing these to be smaller for everyone elses sake. You can not use your data and just scroll past it.
In post 69, Hel wrote:I will policy-lynch Maki Harukawa if she stops using the pics.
Don't make such a ridiculous joke!
What do you think about my respond post?
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:26 am
by Hel
That's a good point from Titus. Do we check the scummiest 2 people then and try and hit scum?
Also, someone should really vote for the Tomboy Daughter already to give her some cover.
Pedit: I agree it's a flawed strat. I think we try to hit scum in very small group checks.
