Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[Chara]

HURT: Elements

[catboi]

HURT: Puppy

[Isis]

Spare Votecount 1.2

Hectic--------------------------

(1) Elements

Elements-----------------------

Chara---------------------------

(2) Chara, catboi

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(1) PookyTheMagicalBear

catboi--------------------------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

redtea --------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) Morning Tweet

Not sparing:

- (7) Hectic, Prism, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, redtea, Tanner, CantLynchAPuppy

Fight Votecount 1.2

Hectic--------------------------

(1) Tayl0r Swift

Elements-----------------------

(1) Chara

Chara---------------------------

(1) redtea

Prism --------------------------

(1) Lavender

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

catboi--------------------------

(1) CantLynchAPuppy

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

(1) Tanner

redtea --------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

(1) Elements

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) catboi

Not Fighting:

- (4) Hectic, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet

Redtea looked up at the huge, looming Hectic that Tayl0r Swift had described as being the "hurricane" that was going to hurt everyone. "Oh no!! We must send a sacrifice down the drain .. er, I mean, we must find a hero to save us!!" Redtea was surprised by how croaky their usually moist voice was.
They nudged Chara forward out from among the monsters, who nearly tripped as it stumbled forward.
"It's dangerous to go alone! Take this!" redtea added. They fumbled in their shell for something to "arm" Chara with, but Chara had no visible arms at all. So they produced a Crab Apple, and pushed it into Chara's mouth, leaving it looking like a sacrificial pig. "Huzzah! I know you can defeat it!" redtea adlibbed. Then they pushed Chara even further towards the hulking black mass.

With 12 alive and unspared, it takes 7 votes to make a decision.
The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:27:24)

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

[CantHateAPuppy]

HURT: hectic

[CantHateAPuppy]

@mod: would you mind adding majority to your votecounts? something like "with 12 alive it takes 7 to spare or fight" (i think that's the rignt number for today)

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

HEAL: Launchy
HURT: Chara

[Tanner]

now we play mafia!
HURT: lavender

This is town af

pedit: hm. i'll agree.

whichever one of you gives me a better/more convincing/funnier explanation on why you think so gets 5 free TownPoints™ [limited time offer] [batteries not included]

[CantHateAPuppy]

now we play mafia!
HURT: lavender

This is town af

pedit: hm. i'll agree.

whichever one of you gives me a better/more convincing/funnier explanation on why you think so gets 5 free TownPoints™ [limited time offer] [batteries not included]

this is town af

[Tanner]

are you trying to pocket me again? because it's working

[CantHateAPuppy]

darn, i wanted you to scumread me. tanner/puppy townbloc it is then, but i'm not happy about it!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if we play with love in our hearts we can't lose

let us heal together through mutual love

[Morning Tweet]

If we can be very very sure of our townreads, surely sparing is possible?

9:3 -> spare 1, 1 dies
7:3 -> spare 1, 1 dies, chara dies
5:2 -> spare 1, 1 dies
3:2 -> spare 1 and win

but if we make a mistake, we won't lose as long as it's not Chara on d1/d2. We can spare 1 mafia and then we like do an extra spare on d4 and go to

4:1 -> vote on mafia or lose

Wait so if we spare 4 people correctly but spare 1 mafia along the way we get a single chance to win or lose the game by figuring out who that person is?

Okay, nevermind this route is kinda trash. I wanted to play by sparing!!!

has anyone figured out the merit of the 1-3 spared players plan, or is genocide just objectively better too

[CantHateAPuppy]

One to three : The mafia must choose an unspared player to be publicly investigated for each living mafia. Skip night 4. Return spared players to the game thread. If mafia was spared, the mafia immediately wins if two of its players survive the day 5 decision.
Zero : The mafia must choose two players to be publicly investigated. If Chara was fought, the mafia must choose everyone. Skip night 4.

I think 1-3 could be better in one or two cases. 0 is better if chara gets fought, but 1-3 is better if no scum get eliminated (though that would depend on chara living which is unlikely?) Hm, maybe 0 spares straight up is better

[Tanner]

i think a 1 spare route maybe, maybe has merit in certain conditions... are the spared players considered to be "living"?

[catboi]

(￣▽￣)ノ 0 spares is better EXCEPT for the specific instance we reach 5p with 2 mafia alive, at which point sparing someone gives 2 reveals and a guaranteed 33% chance of town winning (whereas normally in that situation it would be 2/5*1/2 = 20%)

I could post the math if anyone demands I show my work (I ran the numbers pregame and am very grateful to have rolled town here) but really just want to move on from this as fast as possible~

[Tanner]

yeah, that's what i was thinking, but haven't ran the numbers because lazy.

wanna talk to me about your vote on puppy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If we can be very very sure of our townreads, surely sparing is possible?

9:3 -> spare 1, 1 dies
7:3 -> spare 1, 1 dies, chara dies
5:2 -> spare 1, 1 dies
3:2 -> spare 1 and win

but if we make a mistake, we won't lose as long as it's not Chara on d1/d2. We can spare 1 mafia and then we like do an extra spare on d4 and go to

4:1 -> vote on mafia or lose

Wait so if we spare 4 people correctly but spare 1 mafia along the way we get a single chance to win or lose the game by figuring out who that person is?

Okay, nevermind this route is kinda trash. I wanted to play by sparing!!!

has anyone figured out the merit of the 1-3 spared players plan, or is genocide just objectively better too

its only trash if we spare the bad guys

if we only spare obvtown players we will win ez

[catboi]

yeah, that's what i was thinking, but haven't ran the numbers because lazy.

wanna talk to me about your vote on puppy?

o(^・x・^)o Didn't like the immediate townread on you for a post that looked null to me and the big pile of questions looked like posturing

[Tayl0r Swift]

spare me!

[Morning Tweet]

its only trash if we spare the bad guys

if we only spare obvtown players we will win ez

yes but we aren't given feedback about whether or not the spare was correct, so like if we spare the 4(5) most obvtown players, and we don't win the game, then what!?!

[Tanner]

scum also gets to kill one of the obvtown players each night, so we actually need 7 people to be obvtown... and there's 9 townies in the game. those are... not good odds.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats why we only do 1 obs town person per day