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In post 46, Isis wrote:I think it's the former.

Looking at all 3 setups you've designed, I think your modmeta is such that a vanilla cop is the same thing as a neapolitan in your setups. Which is maybe more town power than ideal, here, actually..

well, it's a little different because the vanilla cop wont know the vanilla's are cleared still, so it can be fought against still

Yeah, the punch line is that gypyx has never put a mafia goon in a single setup, so a particularly sharp speculator would rule out mafia goon.

Its.. just another angle for wanting some more simplicity from gypyx's designs.

i'm sensing a theme around simplifying here

and to be fair i had one mafia goon once !

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ok fine i'll simplify, will probably try to tweak the setup around a bit more tbh

Ah, yeah, that could come out, which could be good play on a townie's part.

I do like Goons in setup, I almost think scum are put in a better place because of a Goon on the team.

it's getting close, though, i was almost ready to pass it. sorry i've been mia for a minute.

I kinda think you could do well modding a theme game, if you haven't already, with the same type of mentality that you bring to the normal games, just don't have to limit for normalcy (should still go for balance of course)

In post 55, Flavor Leaf wrote:I kinda think you could do well modding a theme game, if you haven't already, with the same type of mentality that you bring to the normal games, just don't have to limit for normalcy (should still go for balance of course)

eh idk, like, i don't feel like that style of setup is what the theme queue is for, and i already have something in that queue yeah

alright so, goons, rework the Vcop, anything more?

Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town Odd-night PT Cop
Town Macho Rolestopper
Town Informed * 2 (you know that both you and *player* are town informed, who are informed of each other being aligned with the town)
Town 2-shot Announcing Voyeur
VT*7

Mafia Goon * 2
Mafia Babysitter Enabler
Mafia Informed Compulsive Jailkeeper(all babysitters in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters. All vigilantes in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters)
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think that this is a good sidestep from the problematic aspects, although quite big, does this seem good? (testing around)

I think you'd fit pretty well in the theme queue

yeah but idk, i really like this style of games, and i don't think it fits in the theme queue

sorry for making y'all go through this lol

The wording on the town informed is awkward. What if they both had mailman so they could do the awkward wording part for you N1. "Masons that can't talk" has an official name is a theme role, can't remember what it's called. I think I like the rest of the setup.

The innocent pair is a finnicky thing and Flavor Leaf is the primary so his taste with it is going to matter much more. It's not crazy to say it's good as is although "I know you know and know you know you know you know" is kind of spirally

isnt that just Best Friends? (Masons without the PT)

"You know blank is town, and that they know you are town."

i kinda like it, i'd pass it

yeah I think that's the name of the theme role.

yep best friends, thought it was okay, like, it's a named role, very similar to a normal one, plus speechless masons went well with gunless goon i felt

is balance okay though? i have some worries and idk how powerful masons really are, so it's hard to evaluate
plus, way weirder shit has been passed before imo, so unless you are trying to make the normal queue more "normal" (which is fine, and i'm ready to adapt to that) all this is pretty acceptable

yeah, i think it's good. if I were scum there, i'd be able to abuse that informed knowledge very well to scum's major benefit in a way i'd really have to be on my game to do, though, and that's kinda what i like about it. town has the potential to do VERY well, but scum typically should be able to do some work in this one

none of the roles scream have to be town besides the vengeful and the best friends, so yeah, id say it's good. a little bit of swing in certain places, but it's a good on the more complex end of a normal game.

Yeah, let's see the role pm's for em, i guess

alright cool, i'll do the roles PM when i can then (do you also approve isis btw?)

Town vengeful combined vigilante babysitter

Welcome ! You are a

Town Vengeful Combined Vigilante Babysitter

if you are executed, you may kill someone during twilight

you may each night target someone, you will both
- kill them
- protect them from one kill attempt, but if you died while
protecting someone, the person you protected will die too

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

town odd-night PT cop

Welcome ! You are a

Town Odd-Night PT cop

On Odd-Nights (night 1,3,5...) you may check if someone has access to a private topic

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

*PLAYER* has access to a private topic

*PLAYER* doesn't have access to a private topic

you didn't receive any result, your action failed

Town Macho Rolestopper

Welcome ! You are a

Town Macho Rolestopper

You may each night target someone, you will make every action targeting that player fail

You may not be protected from kills

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Town Informed

Welcome ! You are a

Town Informed

You know that both you and *PLAYER* have the "town informed" role, and are informed of each other being aligned with the town, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Town 2-shot announcing Voyeur

Welcome ! You are a

Town 2-shot annoucing Voyeur

you may twice during the game, at night target someone, you will learn the NAR classification of every action that has targeted your target this night
Your target will be informed that a Voyeur action has been performed on them

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

The following type of actions have been performed on your target *LIST OF ACTIONS*

no other action has been performed on your target

you have been targeted by a Voyeur ability

Vanilla townie

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Townie

You have no power other than your voice and your vote

You win if the town survives to see all of the threats to them dead, you may find the game thread here

Mafia Goon

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Goon

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here, you may also each night choose to perform the factional kill

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

Mafia babysitter enabler

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Babysitter Enabler

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here, you may also each night choose to perform the factional kill

upon your death, all babysitter roles will stop working

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

Mafia informed compulsive jailkeeper

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Informed Compulsive Jailkeeper

You are a member of the mafia, the other members are *list of mafia*

You may find the mafia PT here

You

must

each night jailkeep someone, this will roleblock and protect them from kills, as well as confirming, please send an ordered list of everyone to the moderator, in the case that you fail to submit this action, the highest alive player on this list will be jailkept (you may update it at any time)

you know that all babysitters in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters. All vigilantes in this game are Combined Vigilante Babysitters, this information will be redacted upon your flip

You win if the Mafia has full control of the game or nothing can stop that from happening, you may find the game thread here

Only the primary has to approve. Sticking to the primary secondary model developed in 2018 or whenever is key for review pace and minimizing reviewer burnout imo

Im happy anyways though

alright cool, how does role PMs look?

If the babysitter is shot and the babysitter targets the player the mafia JKed, then that's two kill attempts and the babysat player still does, right?

that would count as 2 shots, i would imagine, yeah.

/pass

JKer protects from only 1 kill attempt also?