Open 848: Chromavalon: A Bouquet of Colors [Game Over]

[Noraa]

unforgivable tbh

[implosion]

literally if you have confidence on one muse's color, it's 50-50. Can you really not tell which one pushed which person more? like i dont see a scenario where im given a scum role pm, the names of my scum team, and the muses and i cant figure out who is who. like i dont see it.

If mafia are following this logic, then potentially all it takes for town to avoid this condition is for one muse to get lucky and have a single correct scumread other than the one they know about.

I firmly believe you're oversimplifying things and that if I were scum, I would not feel nearly this confident in piecing colors together.

[Noraa]

for one muse to get lucky and have a single correct scumread

but even then, the process to getting the other scumread will be clear because they weren't GIVEN the information

[Noraa]

i dont think i am oversimplifying things. knowing who the scum team is is a HUGE advantage and i absolutely think the fact that there is a scum pt at all completely cancels out any benefit muse roles bring.

[Noraa]

sigh i dont know. i guess maybe this setup would be really easy for scum me because i know i could tell from tone. like there is no way my tone detector wouldn't be able to get the secondary win condition as scum if i knew which players were muses.

[implosion]

My point is that if the muses bring no benefit at all, we are absolutely fucked, because it's 3:8 mountainous. So we need to take advantage of them in *some* capacity.

Do you think this setup is just ultra scumsided, if you think that the muses on net aren't actually bringing any benefit?

[Noraa]

it all depends on towns overall scumcatching ability but i do think this is extremely scum sided personally

[Gamma Emerald]

The reason I say there's very little cost to a single merlin claiming without color is that from a pure numbers perspective, the odds of scum getting it correct shift from 1/60 (negligible) to 1/36 (also negligible) assuming no one else claims for the rest of the game. Even taking into account that scum have all of the information of all our ISOs at their disposal, I still see that cost as trivial for the benefit.

In other news: why the FoS on furtiveglance?

I think a Merlin revealing should be held off on until later
Also, I don’t rlly have the words to express my initial thought rn so I’ll just say furtive’s entrance felt awkward

[butterflies]

I'm actually going to support implosions post here.

We play smart we potentially dodge a mislim.

anyway am knackered, will post more later.

-butterFlea

[Galron]

Also, I don’t rlly have the words to express my initial thought rn so I’ll just say furtive’s entrance felt awkward

This bit feels awkward.

And it's my first game with Gamma in a while, which is funny because my GE paranoia has stuck.

Anyway a suspicion, even this early, without a vote sends alarms.


VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[butterflies]

Also, I don’t rlly have the words to express my initial thought rn so I’ll just say furtive’s entrance felt awkward

This bit feels awkward.

And it's my first game with Gamma in a while, which is funny because my GE paranoia has stuck.

Anyway a suspicion, even this early, without a vote sends alarms.


VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is my first non-Newbie game, I think this setup is magic. To everyone claiming Merlin, I am not aMused.

VOTE: furtiveglance

Gamma did vote.

~ butterDrew

[Galron]

Ahh.. thanks. That's evidence of my Gamma paranoia.

VOTE: umlaut

Umlaut pinged me first page or two.

[Galron]

Now that I read it again it doesn't look so bad, but I'll leave it alone for now.

[butterflies]

ISOing both Gamma and umlaut, Gamma sounds a bit better.

VOTE: umlaut

~butterDrew

[Enchant]

ISOing both Gamma and umlaut, Gamma sounds a bit better.

VOTE: umlaut

~butterDrew

Why you consider just two people?

[ProgoWoshua]

Hi, sorry for the delay.

I don't know what Noraa is talking about, implosion's logic is sound. Implosion's conclusion isn't "All three muses should claim right now", but "muses should claim if it benefits Town". In most situations, only one muse would have to claim, which isn't too awful.

[furtiveglance]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

[butterflies]

ISOing both Gamma and umlaut, Gamma sounds a bit better.

VOTE: umlaut

~butterDrew

Why you consider just two people?

I’m not, I’m not locking in any vote yet. It’s more like who I don’t want to vote for than whom I do.

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

The “main” game? We’re only playing ONE game. Are you actually suggesting that they claim outright? I think I’m starting to understand why some people aren’t vibing with your posts.


So how did town lose the game? Are you planning to explain this?

This post isn’t making any sense, anyone else think this?

~Nancyfly

[butterflies]

VOTE: furtiveglance

[butterflies]

Hi everyone, I'll read through, give my thoughts on players, and vote tonight when I get home. As for the strategy talk, I read a previous game of this setup and town actually lost the main game, and the mafia wouldn't have guessed the Merlins correctly. Therefore we might have slightly more wiggle room in terms of Muses influencing the game or even claiming outright than you might expect. The main thing is to ensure we at least win the main game.

This post also flagged to me so I'm supporting the vote.

We have 2 miselimimations, there's no wiggle room there.

Each game is different with different factors - the players being a big variable shift. Me, I can't guess guess crap. I'd have no chance so I would be pushing the primary goal, not the secondary.

Which makes me wonder about you, first game out of newbies means players like me you're going to have no clue how to read or interpret, given I'm also in a hydra with the lovely Nancy that's going to make this slot a nightmare for you to solve regardless as hydras can be tricky to read.

So, I'm going to throw you a bone here. Forget the previous game, as this one is a different game with different players with different strengths.
Do you have any early suspicions?
Do you have any early town reads?
If this is your first time against a hydra, which one of us do you think will be easier to read?

- £!3 ButterFlea

[butterflies]

So of everyone who’s posted thus far, three slots have pinged me: Gamma, Umlaut and most recently furtive. Of the three, I have extensive meta on Gamma and when I compare his posting here with uPick!Anything for example, he feels different. In that game, he wasn’t really trying to solve and was basically pretty spammy.

Umlaut: Still not a fan but calling Gamma out for the unconfirmed vote, makes me a bit hesitant.

furtive: Unlike Titus and Noraa, I don’t and still don’t see anything particularly pinging about his opening post but the second one otoh, I find somewhat concerning. He discusses “strategy” but the only strategy I glean from his post is that Merlin(S) plural claiming is somehow beneficial for town because in a previous incarnation of this setup, town lost despite scum having no clue who the Merlins were. Just because town lost in a previous installment of this game, despite scum not correctly guessing the Merlins, doesn’t mean that more than one Merlin claiming is a good strategy. I also find the whole “main” game emphasis thing kind’ve odd.

~Nancyfly

[Umlaut]

Good morning.

I don't see why that post from furtive is suspicious.

Agree with this, I found it more awkward-person awkward than scum awkward

A lot of mech talk from implo, none of it bad per se but personally I plan to just play Mafia and plan to win that way instead of over worrying about who is a muse. Why can't the muses just push good cases on scum without having to say who they are?

Furt, would like you to clarify what you mean by suggesting muses claim outright, because obviously they shouldn't all do that unless I am misunderstanding something.

[Umlaut]

So of everyone who’s posted thus far, three slots have pinged me: Gamma, Umlaut and most recently furtive. Of the three, I have extensive meta on Gamma and when I compare his posting here with uPick!Anything for example, he feels different. In that game, he wasn’t really trying to solve and was basically pretty spammy.

Umlaut: Still not a fan but calling Gamma out for the unconfirmed vote, makes me a bit hesitant.

VOTE: butterflies

This "read" on me is nonsense. It's made when I have all of four one-line posts, three of which are RVS shitposts and the fourth of which is the one you like (calling out Gamma). Tell me what exactly you are not a fan of.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So of everyone who’s posted thus far, three slots have pinged me: Gamma, Umlaut and most recently furtive. Of the three, I have extensive meta on Gamma and when I compare his posting here with uPick!Anything for example, he feels different. In that game, he wasn’t really trying to solve and was basically pretty spammy.

Umlaut: Still not a fan but calling Gamma out for the unconfirmed vote, makes me a bit hesitant.

VOTE: butterflies

This "read" on me is nonsense. It's made when I have all of four one-line posts, three of which are RVS shitposts and the fourth of which is the one you like (calling out Gamma). Tell me what exactly you are not a fan of.

Until now, you hadn’t really done anything. I don’t see why you scumread me for that. And I wasn’t even the only one who felt that way, so I don’t understand what about my post bothers you in particular. I’m not even currently voting you.

~Nancyfly