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Day 1 VC #2

Aisa

(1): Radical Rat (14)

Herta

(1): marcistar (18)

Juice (3): MegAzumarill (11), Ausuka (27), Aisa (33)

MegAzumarill

(1): Herta (5)

marcistar

(1): Hiraki (20)

Not Voting

(2): JohnnyFarrar, Juice (45)

In post 44, marcistar wrote:

In post 43, marcistar wrote:

In post 38, Ausuka wrote:What do you mean by clownish? Also could u elaborate on the juice thought because I don't see it and am also not sure if you're townreading them for it

i don't have a read on juice im just saying they seem self absorbed

r u saying ur not town bb

ok but what do u mean by clownish I want to know

In post 34, Juice wrote:A third vote during RVS? Putting me at L-2 is pretty strange behaviour - certainly not very town orientated.

In post 45, Juice wrote:

In post 42, MegAzumarill wrote:Is that not a pro-town thing?

Putting anyone at L-2 - just for shits and giggles? Yeah okay then. UNVOTE:

Don't really understand your thought process here - why unvote and why not vote Aisa if you don't think she's town orientated?

In post 30, Hiraki wrote:

In post 27, Ausuka wrote:

In post 21, Juice wrote:VOTE: RadicalRat in an Noir crime drama - never trust a rat

I don't know why but when I read this post I got a strong feeling that you were scum like some sort of supernatural entity was trying to send me a message

(yes i'm being overdramatic allow it)

VOTE: Juice

Weird post.

What's weird about it?

In post 47, Juice wrote:Two more people can hammer me right now - I don't care about dying Day 1 in a mafia game. Everyone on the wagon - would look DAF though afterwards for pushing a RVS wagon

Suppose this wagon on you never went away. Suppose two more people came along, voted you, and you got eliminated really quickly.
I feel like you would have to make a distinction between the people who were on the wagon first and the people who came along later? Like surely the person who cast the final hammer would be more at fault that those who came earlier. Would you agree?

This game is already to a very confusing start when half of the player base has already pinged me in a bad way. I feel like it's me and Meg against the world here.

In post 47, Juice wrote:Two more people can hammer me right now - I don't care about dying Day 1 in a mafia game. Everyone on the wagon - would look DAF though afterwards for pushing a RVS wagon

You seem to be pretty fresh based on your join date, so I understand the apprehension, but this is pretty normal here actually. It also doesn't even immediately end RVS a lot of the time.

It's not as dangerous as it seems, because an undue quickhammer, ESPECIALLY one with two players coordinating, is incredibly suspicious and likely to end with the hammerer being next on the chopping block.

Dancing on that knife's edge, staring death in the face though is always intimidating, and thus generates reactions that can help sort alignment, and that's why RVS wagons happen.

For example, I think being afraid of a quickhammer here means you're probably Town

In post 36, marcistar wrote:Aisa seems town rn so does the rat.

At the time you wrote this my only posts were low effort jokes. Why does that seem Town to you?

I think you've done it in a townie, not worried about anything, sorta way.

wheres asuska i miss fighting with someone

In post 53, Aisa wrote:

In post 30, Hiraki wrote:

In post 27, Ausuka wrote:

In post 21, Juice wrote:VOTE: RadicalRat in an Noir crime drama - never trust a rat

I don't know why but when I read this post I got a strong feeling that you were scum like some sort of supernatural entity was trying to send me a message

(yes i'm being overdramatic allow it)

VOTE: Juice

Weird post.

What's weird about it?

In post 47, Juice wrote:Two more people can hammer me right now - I don't care about dying Day 1 in a mafia game. Everyone on the wagon - would look DAF though afterwards for pushing a RVS wagon

Suppose this wagon on you never went away. Suppose two more people came along, voted you, and you got eliminated really quickly.
I feel like you would have to make a distinction between the people who were on the wagon first and the people who came along later? Like surely the person who cast the final hammer would be more at fault that those who came earlier. Would you agree?

By your own logic - doesn't that technically make you the scummiest on the wagon currently? Freudian?

VOTE: Aisa

In post 59, Juice wrote:

In post 53, Aisa wrote:

In post 30, Hiraki wrote:

In post 27, Ausuka wrote:

In post 21, Juice wrote:VOTE: RadicalRat in an Noir crime drama - never trust a rat

I don't know why but when I read this post I got a strong feeling that you were scum like some sort of supernatural entity was trying to send me a message

(yes i'm being overdramatic allow it)

VOTE: Juice

Weird post.

What's weird about it?

In post 47, Juice wrote:Two more people can hammer me right now - I don't care about dying Day 1 in a mafia game. Everyone on the wagon - would look DAF though afterwards for pushing a RVS wagon

Suppose this wagon on you never went away. Suppose two more people came along, voted you, and you got eliminated really quickly.
I feel like you would have to make a distinction between the people who were on the wagon first and the people who came along later? Like surely the person who cast the final hammer would be more at fault that those who came earlier. Would you agree?

By your own logic - doesn't that technically make you the scummiest on the wagon currently? Freudian?

VOTE: Aisa

Yes and no. I guess I think it's more complex than someone's positioning on a wagon and depends on what their motivation is. What do you think my motivation is?

I felt like your original argument boiled down to "putting me at E-2 is dangerous because I could get hammered quickly". It felt like that was ignoring the fact, as RR said, that if two people just came along and quickhammered you they would face a lot of scrutiny the next day.

If your argument is more along the lines of "putting me at E-2 is opportunistic, turns my wagon into a Real Wagon and sets the stage for me to be possibly eliminated later on" I think that's fairer.

Is there anything you wanna know about my thinking that would help you read me here?

In post 54, Hiraki wrote:This game is already to a very confusing start when half of the player base has already pinged me in a bad way. I feel like it's me and Meg against the world here.

What has pinged you as scummy so far?

In post 51, Ausuka wrote:

In post 44, marcistar wrote:

In post 43, marcistar wrote:

In post 38, Ausuka wrote:What do you mean by clownish? Also could u elaborate on the juice thought because I don't see it and am also not sure if you're townreading them for it

i don't have a read on juice im just saying they seem self absorbed

r u saying ur not town bb

ok but what do u mean by clownish I want to know

In post 57, marcistar wrote:I think you've done it in a townie, not worried about anything, sorta way.

In post 58, marcistar wrote:wheres asuska i miss fighting with someone

Is there a reason you haven't replied to Ausuka, marci?

In post 46, JohnnyFarrar wrote:

In post 34, Juice wrote:Putting me at L-2 is pretty strange behaviour - certainly not very town orientated.

This doesn't hold up. Are you scared of quick hammers?

In post 49, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm acknowledging that I read your post, though I don't know what they mean.

Any new thoughts on Juice now you've had a little time to think about it? Anyone else catch your eye for town or scum?

In post 62, Aisa wrote:Is there a reason you haven't replied to Ausuka, marci?

yes, ausuka already knows what i mean shes just playing dumb.

like literally "same clowness as last game" is so hard to understand apparently

In post 64, marcistar wrote:

In post 62, Aisa wrote:Is there a reason you haven't replied to Ausuka, marci?

yes, ausuka already knows what i mean shes just playing dumb.

like literally "same clowness as last game" is so hard to understand apparently

that's vague as anything and you know it

In post 65, Ausuka wrote:

In post 64, marcistar wrote:

In post 62, Aisa wrote:Is there a reason you haven't replied to Ausuka, marci?

yes, ausuka already knows what i mean shes just playing dumb.

like literally "same clowness as last game" is so hard to understand apparently

that's vague as anything and you know it

literally look at last game and ull figure it out sweetie xoxo

In post 66, marcistar wrote:

In post 65, Ausuka wrote:

In post 64, marcistar wrote:

In post 62, Aisa wrote:Is there a reason you haven't replied to Ausuka, marci?

yes, ausuka already knows what i mean shes just playing dumb.

like literally "same clowness as last game" is so hard to understand apparently

that's vague as anything and you know it

literally look at last game and ull figure it out sweetie xoxo

why are you like this

i say that purely out of love <3

but still i have like 0 understanding of what you get from being this obstinate as either alignment. unless you're reaction testing or something but i would've hoped you learned from last time that making everything you do a reaction test just makes you impossible to understand or read?

literally what im saying is ur acting the same as last game whats so hard to understand about that?!?!?

i'm asking you what made you feel that way considering i had barely posted anything up to that point and i am worried you are townreading me too easily?

you know, because scum know townies are town and are more likely to see towniness in their every action whereas town are often more PARANOID and SUSPICIOUS

i kind of townlean hiraki for that reason btw because like, I don't think calling everyone scummy without specifying is likely to get townread at all and i think calling me weird is like, something scum is less likely to do because they are generally more concerned with their image and doing so has very little benefit - i don't think he would make that post expecting to get townread for it, if that makes sense

Ehh I'm struggling to discriminate between this being a valid read and marci's sorta-early-tr-on-me feeling me with serotonin.
BUT I've tried my best and I'm feeling kinda good about marci!

In post 64, marcistar wrote:

In post 62, Aisa wrote:Is there a reason you haven't replied to Ausuka, marci?

yes, ausuka already knows what i mean shes just playing dumb.

like literally "same clowness as last game" is so hard to understand apparently

I like the angle she's chosen here. "Ausuka is just playing dumb". It feels a bit too speculative and unserious. In a way that suggests towniness to me.

In post 69, marcistar wrote:literally what im saying is ur acting the same as last game whats so hard to understand about that?!?!?

Imagine being this married to "what I'm saying is very clear" as scum

Anyone disagree with me?

I think that line of reasoning makes some sense but not sure I agree yet - I remember from my metadive of her last game she does like getting into arguments for no reason as scum. Like, she does it as town too and I'm not scumreading her for that part of the interaction, but I can see scum!marci behaving this way - in particular I think coming off 'clean' and 'reasonable' which is a common scum strategy would be too far of a departure from her towngame to be believable.

In post 61, MegAzumarill wrote:

In post 54, Hiraki wrote:This game is already to a very confusing start when half of the player base has already pinged me in a bad way. I feel like it's me and Meg against the world here.

What has pinged you as scummy so far?

I would need to go post by post on individual separate pings. I'm trying not to be a hardo but I see scum on both sides. Aisa vs Juice is the only thing that is starting to look like TvT but it's really just a glimmer at this point.