Mini 711: Thursday Next: LiaGB Mafia - ABANDONED!

[Kublai Khan]

unvote

Vote: TAX

3 of 6 in the jokevote stage isn't too many votes at all.

[Soveliss]

Unvote

Vote: Kublai Khan

3 of 6 votes is no joke at anytime.

[Kublai Khan]

3 of 6 votes is no joke at anytime.

Really? Why?

[Soveliss]

3 of 6 votes is no joke at anytime.

Really? Why?

It would be to easy for someone to make a easy case on him causing a possible lynch. At this time it is to early for that with no real information to go on. Unless of course a quick lynch is what you are trying for.

[TAX]

So why am I getting a vote, because in my opinion that's 3 votes is too much. How is that even remotely a reason for me being scum.

[Kublai Khan]

It would be to easy for someone to make a easy case on him causing a possible lynch. At this time it is to early for that with no real information to go on. Unless of course a quick lynch is what you are trying for.

A quick lynch would be awesome. Primarily because it's one of the strongest scum-tells I can think of. Whoever added the last few votes are most definately scum and the game would be easy as pie. Johhan's sacrifice (if he's town) would be totally worth it.

So why am I getting a vote, because in my opinion that's 3 votes is too much. How is that even remotely a reason for me being scum.

Well, yeah. 3 votes isn't really that big a deal when it's 6 to lynch. You're awfully panicky for no good reason.

[Porkens]

A quick-lynch could also be comprised of over-zealous or impatient townies.

[Soveliss]

A quick lynch would be awesome. Primarily because it's one of the strongest scum-tells I can think of. Whoever added the last few votes are most definately scum and the game would be easy as pie. Johhan's sacrifice (if he's town) would be totally worth it.
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A quick lynch would be awesome if and only if you were scum. A quick lynch leaves the town with little or no information to go on rather than for who voted that person.

[Kublai Khan]

A quick lynch would be awesome. Primarily because it's one of the strongest scum-tells I can think of. Whoever added the last few votes are most definately scum and the game would be easy as pie. Johhan's sacrifice (if he's town) would be totally worth it.
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A quick lynch would be awesome if and only if you were scum. A quick lynch leaves the town with little or no information to go on rather than for who voted that person.

What other information do you need to know other than who is scum? A quick lynch on Day 1 will start you with exactly the info you need to know about who to go after on Day 2.

I say that a quick lynch would be awesome, because it is probably the worst strategy that scum can possibly execute together as a group. They would give themselves away while there are plenty of townies left to lynch them. The only time that scum ever quick-lynch is when the town is in a LAL situation. This is why I feel a quick lynch on Day 1 is so improbable that TAX's unvote is not only silly, but suspect.

Remember that Johhan had 3 votes. Not 5, not even 4, but 3 votes. Do you honestly think that a quick lynch is a such a dangerous possibility that TAX's unvoting made sense?

FOS: Soveliss

for spouting pro-town platitudes without knowing the logic behind them.

A quick-lynch could also be comprised of over-zealous or impatient townies.

This game is only a few days old and barely 4 pages long. Who the hell is that impatient or over-zealous?

If we have such reckless townies in this game, then our overall odds of winning are pretty grim.

[Porkens]

A quick-lynch could also be comprised of over-zealous or impatient townies.

This game is only a few days old and barely 4 pages long. Who the hell is that impatient or over-zealous?

If we have such reckless townies in this game, then our overall odds of winning are pretty grim.

I can ask you the same question; who the hell is going to quick-lynch as scum?

When quick lynches occur, they aren't always always scum-driven. It's foolish to assume so.

[imaginality]

This game is only a few days old and barely 4 pages long. Who the hell is that impatient or over-zealous?

If we have such reckless townies in this game, then our overall odds of winning are pretty grim.

QFT. Not even a Neanderthal would be slow-witted enough to lynch someone this early, with so little evidence against anyone. I mean, even my case against johhan isn't exactly watertight.

And Porkens, if you think scum are also unlikely to quick-lynch, that surely makes a quick-lynch even less likely. So would you agree that TAX's unvote was overly cautious?

[ortolan]

I have to side with KK here.

A quick-lynch could also be comprised of over-zealous or impatient townies.

That's true, it could be. That doesn't mean it's excusable on the part of the townies. If they quicklynch, they deserve everything they get it. In my second game here I put someone on L-1 without adequate justification and ultimately I got lynched because of it. Since then I know not to muck around with L-2, L-1, hammer votes without good reason because it makes you look *very* scummy. I would think any player with any amount of experience would know this also- hence it's unforgivable to quicklynch (and also very stupid to do early in the game if you're scum).

However, in my (limited) experience the threshold at which a vote starts to need really good justification is usually considered L-2, not L-3. In this case also, it was only a third vote which just happened to be L-3 (and the previous two votes were joke votes by me and Puta Puta).

I would be suspicious of Sovellis for being opportunistic with interpreting a third vote as a scumtell but this may be a sign of newbiness rather than a scumtell (see reg date) so I shan't pursue for the time being.

Btw,

Official Vote Count:

johhan - (1) imaginality, TAX, Kublai Khan

zazier - (1) Porkens
Niv - (1) ZazieR
imaginality - (1) johhan
TAX - (1) ortolan
Pug89 - (1) Soveliss

With 11 posting, it takes 6 votes to lynch a player.

johhan is meant to have 3 votes right?

[Dean Harper]

Yes, that's my mistake. Will change to three.

[Porkens]

And Porkens, if you think scum are also unlikely to quick-lynch, that surely makes a quick-lynch even less likely. So would you agree that TAX's unvote was overly cautious?

I agree that it wasn't useful. whether it was actually caution or not remains to be seen.

The sum of what I'm saying is this; It's just as dumb for the scum to quick-lynch as it is for the townies to do the same.

Unvoting for someone at L-3 for the expressed purpose of 'avoiding a quicklynch' is a dumb move; no question about that.

[TAX]

I sorry i was over reacting to the my third vote, I just though it would make me seem scummy with three vote on someone in the random voting stage, but now I know different.

[Soveliss]

I sorry i was over reacting to the my third vote, I just though it would make me seem scummy with three vote on someone in the random voting stage, but now I know different.

This post makes me think you have something to hide.

[Dean Harper]

rolandofthewhite replaces Puta Puta effective immediately.

[Pug89]

I'm here, not much to say at this point though, especially since I don't random vote, I've had issues with it in the past.

How the hell do you screw up a random vote?

I didn't screw it up as such, it's Stephen King Mafia if anyone cares to look. I random voted for the 19th player, it is an important number in a lot of his books, on the list and some of the other players actually thought I was being serious despite the fact that I stated it was random several times. Anyway, since then I don't random vote.

[rolandofthewhite]

Hey, guys. I'm about to head to bed, but I'll read the last few pages tomorrow and give my thoughts.

[Porkens]

Hmmm Random stage way over.

unvote

Vote: Soveliss

for sniping at people instead of addressing the arguments against himself. Especially this last one;

This post makes me think you have something to hide.

While I agree with your general idea here, I think this is another example of what KK described as "Spouting Town Platitudes"

[rolandofthewhite]

Ok, I gave it a read, and Soveliss is definitely grasping at straws with the whole quicklynch thing. I am not sure if this is deliberate or because he's relatively new. Regardless, the chance of three separate people (town or scum) being dumb enough to pile on three votes before someone else has time to unvote is...very low.

Vote: Soveliss

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On a tangent, Porkens, I love your username. It makes me laugh with joy!

[rolandofthewhite]

Oh, and as for the theme, I've

vaguely

heard of the novels, but I have very little idea what they're actually about. I guess I should see if they have them at the library.

[Pug89]

TAX's reason for unvoting isn't really a valid concern at this point, but at the same time three votes is a fair amount of votes to have this early in the game, although nowhere near lynch, and since his vote was random there was no real need to leave it were it was. Basically, I don't really find anything suspicious about his unvote.

[imaginality]

rolandofthewhite, your post just then was interesting. You pretty much repeated what ortolan said earlier:

I would be suspicious of Sovellis for being opportunistic with interpreting a third vote as a scumtell but this may be a sign of newbiness rather than a scumtell (see reg date)

Ok, I gave it a read, and Soveliss is definitely grasping at straws with the whole quicklynch thing. I am not sure if this is deliberate or because he's relatively new.

ortolan didn't think it was worth pursuing, but you felt it worth voting Soveliss. I'm a bit suspicious of your decision, it seems possible you may be trying to start a wagon on him without genuinely suspecting him.

I do agree that Soveliss has been looking for reasons to suspect people, but I think his last point was actually a good one.

I sorry i was over reacting to the my third vote, I just though it would make me seem scummy with three vote on someone in the random voting stage, but now I know different.

That reads a little weirdly to me too - perhaps it's the phrasing: it sounds like TAX is mostly concerned with trying not to appear scummy to others.

Also his earlier post comes across as perhaps slightly defensive/rattled:

So why am I getting a vote, because in my opinion that's 3 votes is too much. How is that even remotely a reason for me being scum.

Unvote
Vote: TAX

I'm keeping an eye on Soveliss but I think it's worth keeping TAX under the spotlight a bit longer.

[Dean Harper]

Official Vote Count:

TAX - (3) ortolan, Kublai Khan, imaginality

Soveliss - (2) Porkens, rolandofthewhite
Niv - (1) ZazieR
imaginality - (1) johhan
Kublai Khan - (1) Soveliss

With 11 posting, it takes 6 votes to lynch a player.