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boberz wrote:Other than one post on Hiraki, has Wraith really got better? He has tried to look better, with comments on the claim then moaning about claim speculation.

That's actually the town-Wraith I'm familiar with. Sad, but true.

Wraith, until you have to get up at 4:30am to milk cows, I don't want to hear any complaints.

I really don't see the case on Kage. It's weak and he's far from the only one who's flip-flopped on Darla repeatedly. I'm one of them. More Hiraki votes, please!

Mariyta wrote:I really don't see the case on Kage. It's weak and he's far from the only one who's flip-flopped on Darla repeatedly. I'm one of them. More Hiraki votes, please!

What do you think of the bear?

What bear?

tvellalot.

Oh. That bear. Don't remember anything about him (her?). Let me go re-read.

Opportunistic vote on DH. (Opportunistic is becoming a buzzword. I'm going to stop using it.) The DH unvote is awful, too. It's almost as if he voted DH because it was the cool thing to do, but was looking for an excuse to take his vote off. Then he hopped on the next biggest wagon, likely w/o really looking into Darla. But eventually he did produce a case. He's not stellar, but others are worse.

Jason, it's the timing of when you jumped on the wagon that looks bad to me.

THE BEAR DIDDIN THE BEAR

diddin wrote:

tvellalott wrote:

DemonHybrid wrote:

tvellalott wrote:

tvellalott wrote:Hello all! I wonder who Fuzzy is... o.O;

Anyway,
@demonhybrid: erm, no.

VOTE: DemonHybrid

Posted that before I read all the pages, derp.

If it truly was a trap, what's the next play?

Lynch boberz, pretty much. It was a clouded attempt to hop on my wagon and a really weak justification when called out.

I agree with everyone about Hiraki to some degree, but I need to do more info gathering until I can make a good decision about him.

UNVOTE:

I'm not sure if his actions so far are lynch worthy. Lets see where this goes.

Don't like this. Looks like he's not willing to contribute content and just wants to find another wagon to sheep.

FoS Trev

Old post. I find him scummy but in a VI way. He looks more like vigbait than a lynch candidate.

What's the difference between a lynch candidate and a vig candidate?

I don't think he's scummy enough to use a lynch on right now, but I would not be unhappy if he was shot by a vig tonight, assuming there is one.

VOTE: Mafias Good game!!

Largely for the claim, in the sense that 'Once someone is wagoned to a claim, a claim of VT should usually result in a lynch.' I also really don't like the claim speculation, and the rampant Appeal to Emotions that are present in a lot of her posts.

VOTE: DBE just a random vote I'll change as time passes.

SensFan wrote:

Vote: DBE

Largely for the claim, in the sense that 'Once someone is wagoned to a claim, a claim of VT should usually result in a lynch.' I also really don't like the claim speculation, and the rampant Appeal to Emotions that are present in a lot of her posts.

My position is that a VT claim should never get you off someone you thought was scum before, but she wasn't wagoned to claim, she claimed prematurely. That's antitown, but it's not the be-all and end-all. I don't see what's wrong with people who didn't see her as scum before not seeing her as scum now.

Okay TO MANY PAGES. Can someone just give a quick summary of what has happened so far?? Ask me questions trial me if you like. Also I have no past games on tis site so no meta for you. Please do this as quick as you can. That would be reall helpful.

Look at the mod in ISO. The votecounts will tell you who was wagoned when. If you then want a summary of the case on each, I'll do my best to provide one.

I already don't like Mist...

Mariyta wrote:I already don't like Mist...

QFT.

Gonna do a couple ISOs, I think. But first, switch to my desktop because it is more comfortable to do work on.

Right off the bat something is bad - only 12 posts. His ISO is pretty "meh" until this:

Kage wrote:I'm still on board for DBE. Either she's scum or she's just completely flighty and confused town. Since there is no way to prove that the latter is actually the case, I don't mind lynching her. If she flips scum, hurray. If she flips town, we at least didn't lose anyone that would be of much help to us.

Btw, Darla, I'm not entirely sure how much you know about mafia protocol, but if you get close to being lynched and someone expresses intent to hammer, you should claim your role.

Hopefully I'll get an ISO of her when Diff Eq isn't being so time-consuming.

Specifically the bolded part. Ugh. But people have already gone over his bad posts. There are two things about Kage that really irk me:
1. He fails to actually detail his scumreads beyond 1-2 sentence comments on a post, then declaring a scumread.
2. Despite pushing DBE to claim, he has not made any actual opinion on the claim itself

I give tvella a solid "merg" (the bastard child of "meh" and "ugh"). In her 13 posts, she goes after the strongest wagons, Hiraki and DBE, with little effort, and beyond that everything else is a defense against everyone else. About a quarter of her posts are the "I promise I'll do more later" kind, (3, 11, 12), another quarter are defense against someone else (6, 8, 9), another quarter barely qualify as scumhunting and I almost lumped two of them under 'fluff' (2, 4, 5), and the rest is fluff/RVS.

Has not posted since 1/16 and needs a prod.

NC gets a solid "meh" from me. While his posts are rather fluffly and he hasn't really done much in the way of actual hunting, he less lurky than other games I've played with him. My meta on him is "if he's lurking = he's up to something" (Mariyta can testify)

Have not posted since 1/14 and need a prod.

My initial analysis in a previous post was "Paranoid player jumping at every shadow." It intended to imply "LEANING-TOWN." I really don't like that his first reaction to it was:

diddin wrote:

Weak suspicion with no vote? Try harder to appear active.

I agree that Nacho avoiding this game is not a scumtell if he has done this in the past.

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it? I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy. However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

An attempt to discredit me. Normally I don't find "oh he's defending himself he must be scum" a scumtell, but there are certain cases. Such as when a player takes a single sentence that barely accuses them of anything and tries to discredit the poster (might have a little hypocrisy here, but we get to move on to other posts too).

diddin wrote:

Yes, but do you have scum meta for him?

I do however agree that Wrath is active lurking like a MoFo. FoS

Tragedy and SA just confude me.

@sottyrulez: At first I thought so because of his attack on Tragedy so early. However after looking at him in ISO the fact that he jumped off Trag as soon as possible for a weaker attack on Darla, then Nacho, makes bussing look plausible. I revoke my earlier statement that I think JasonScum=TragedyTown.

Diddin is suddenly hostile toward me. My active lurkin phase had been much earlier, but he didn't seem to have a problem with me until I made that one-sentence observation on his play. I really don't like this touchyness.

ATM diddin is one of my upper-tier suspects.

My prime suspect is still Hiraki and my vote is staying there.

While she's still my #2 suspect I'd rather lynch Hiraki today.

Townreads: sottyrulez, Jason, DH, Fonz, LlamaFluff

Ok game needs a swift boot

SA, Deer, Hikari, SH, Tragedy - Move your vote, you are wasting it. No going "oh but they are scum", no, you are wasting your vote and doing nothing to get your vote-ee lynched.

Kage should be lynched. Tvell would also be very acceptable. DBE is still very likely town, basically the entire wagon on her is null at best. Not digging the Hikari lynch either, that one is just based on my read on him though.

Mariyta, is that serious suspicion of Mist?

Tvellalot: Supporting the DBE lynch while helping Hiraki in some confusing way.



(I sincerely apologize for lateness, but after reading sotty's post with Kagelord's post, yes, it does feel somehow scummy since it was already mentioned of the distancing stuff.. Durhur~!)

UNVOTE: VOTE: Hiraki I know that might look like OMGUS but he has the most so yes I'm sheepin right now. Reason I'm sheeping is because I don't know much of what is going on and I don't want to read all pages (I read 1-3) so tommrow I swear I'll be more active. For now BBAAAAA