@Ythan
If you could read you would've seen that Espeo calling Lelouch town was only the setup for why I think Espeo is scum. It's his subsequent actions and non-actions that make him scum.
Okay, fair enough. It's useless to go after me today. Just leave it at that.
@jmj
That was my question, thanks
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:08 pm
by Tragedy
Ythan wrote:
Tragedy wrote:SSBF...
Small Question:
If I was town
, who would you rank most likely scum in this case, off the wagon?
It may look
that
scummy.... I should have clarified the word FLIP.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:10 pm
by Dekes
So, you wanted to say "If I flipped town"?
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:30 pm
by Ythan
The Master Hand wrote:Tragedy's style this time around is different from the scum games I've played with him, so I'm actually getting a town read.
Can you fill this out so it's a useful comment to someone other than you?
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:32 pm
by Ythan
Dekes wrote:@Ythan
If you could read you would've seen that Espeo calling Lelouch town was only the setup for why I think Espeo is scum. It's his subsequent actions and non-actions that make him scum.
When you made the point does not free you from being called to justify it.
I agree with your most recent post though.
Tragedy
, can you clarify exactly what you meant? Put it in clearer words, short comments about your meaning like that last one obviously aren't helping us.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:35 pm
by Ythan
That last sentence of mine might be difficult to work out.
Rather than explaining what you meant, can you rephrase it?
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:41 pm
by Ythan
Tragedy wrote:@LVB: 'OMGUS' and the 'NEWB CARD' won't help you at all at this state.
It's still pretty stupid to make a list of role claims on whose town or not.
You shouldn't go to far with it anyways.
Claiming as 'Vanilla' won't get you anywhere else too.
Uhhh.
I think this is the first post where Tragedy took any kind of stance on anything and it is her tenth one. And it's not constructive. Two posts later she starts questioning the Ledouche wagon. And of course while sitting on that rvs vote which was somehow for lurking.
Tragedy, when did your rv become a lurker vote?
Iso20 you cherrypick a new lurker. Not talking about the Lulu wagon anymore.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:05 pm
by Tragedy
"If I flipped town, whom would you consider mostly scum in the group of people off-wagon?"
Lurker votes is to pressure people to become more active... But although it may seem long enough that I've done so...
Arguing against all of the people against the Lelouch wagon would sort of be crazy for most of us since the endless masses of shit-tons of spam and arguments comes along. Also, I wasn't completely sure if lulu would flip Town. Newbies should learn to defend 'emselves by their own way [That doesn't involve massive shittons of spam and insults] or learn it from some other way I don't know of..
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:18 pm
by Ythan
Are you saying you argued against the Lulu wagon because arguing against the people who were themselves against it...what?
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:22 pm
by Tragedy
I "ignored" the Lulu wagon because of the... Last paragraph explains it...
Well, ff.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:23 pm
by Ythan
Last paragraph does not explain it clearly, that is why I whated. I'm having trouble making out what you mean in some of your posts.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:26 pm
by Tragedy
Well, jumping in to argue against the Lulu wagon would be sort-of a "waste" of time, and I'm pretty curious of Lulu's flip. Wasn't too sure if Lulu was really being a Town Douche or a Fail Scum. When Esp mentioned "He was obviously town cuz he talk a lot and shit" stuff, it doesn't make it feel like Lulu was really town... If only he mentioned that earlier...
I find Esp a bit suspicious after he posted that Lulu was obvious town AFTER he died, not before...
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:29 pm
by Ythan
Maybe the reason your responses don't make sense to me is that I was questioning why you
were
arguing against the Lulu wagon.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:16 pm
by Super Smash Bros. Fan
@Mod: You have Espeonage listed as voting both esuriospiritus and xtoxm. He is only voting for xtoxm. Also a suggestion, in the Not Voting Section, mention the people who are not voting.
Spoiler: Tragedy
Stop ignoring the cases made on you. We made those case for a good reason, not to see ourself talk.
Do you have nothing to say about the two variations of case that Pinky and the Brain made on you or his pushing on you in general? Is there nothing you have to say regarding what I called you out for active lurking to avoid pressure on you or what other people have said about you?
Having being guilty of doing the exact same thing as scum in two games, all you're doing here is solidifying my already strong scum read on you.
#508: That would be either The Master Hand or danakillsu/Lucersia, which I stated in my last post.
I also want to talk about your explanation for your lurker vote. I don't have a problem with lurker votes as long as it's done early in the game to gain information from the player. What made the way you handled the lurking vote scummy is that you clearly had better choices based off people you attacked, not to mention that scum hunting should not be that hard to do. Instead of focusing on scummy plays, you choose to go after lurkers, in which passive lurking is a null tell, and placed emphasis over trying to get thil13 more active until the end of the game.
To this day, you have yet to place a vote on for scumminess. It is Day 2, you have 46 posts. What this tells me (Along with the content of your post) is that you have done very little scum hunting and you are scum trying to avoid confrontation for making an actual scum hunting vote later on.
It's also ironic about you talking about spams when most of your posts are, to put it nicely, content-less.
Spoiler: Others
Did read over The Master Hand's ISO, but did not have enough time to fully analyze, due to trying to balance homework, studying, and posting. This will be done at the earliest possibility tomorrow.
Spoiler: Response to posts
@danakillsu: The reason why I asked for your other suspects is because you said it yourself at your first post of Day 2 that those not on the wagon were more suspicious to you then those on the wagon. By saying that you would not reveal your other suspects, you're pretty much saying that "We should look at the people who didn't vote Lelouch, although I'll only mention Espeonage for now.", thus defeating the purpose of you saying that in the first place and contradicting yourself to boot.
@Dekes: Sorry about that. I remember you having female as your gender early on the site, thus me coming to the conclusion that you were female. I now recognize my mistake and will not do that again.
Regarding your three choices, I would be in favor of wagoning all three players you've mentioned as I see them all as scummy to varying degrees. My top choice, obviously, is Tragedy.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:17 pm
by Super Smash Bros. Fan
"end of the
day
..."
That's what I meant to say in response to Tragedy.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:52 pm
by crazypianist1116
Hey guys sorry for being so late to Day 2.
So I didn't read Day 1 over again like I said I would but I did read Day 2 straight through just now.
I'm all for the voting bloc if Lewarcher, esurio, and Dekes want to get it organized, but as of now, they're not really forming a bloc.
I like GhostWriter's vote, and as such, I'll keep an eye on Dana.
Espeonage wrote:leave him for vig. If he is alive tomorrow we can lynch him.
Espeonage, care to explain? Rather contradicting your beliefs that LVB was town.
Mb53, did you even bother reading RedCoyote's case on you? Your stances were wishy washy; don't try to deflect.
But seriously guys, Tragedy is where the lynch is at. Did anyone else notice all she did was defend her D1 actions today? No scumhunting? Nothing?
VOTE: Tragedy
Lucresia/Darla, care to offer anything as well?
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:15 pm
by mb53
PRODDED, I'M HERE!
I'll post tomorrow
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:52 pm
by RedCoyote
SSBF 482 wrote:The problem I have with this is that danakillsu is artificially separating the entire non-Lelouch voters into these groups without really taking into consideration on the content of the defense of everyone, which I see scum doing.
Fair enough. I see you point, but I still disagree on whether this is something shady.
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Ythan 483 wrote:Why did you say scum and sk in addition to vig?
Because they traditionally have the ability to kill as well. Whoever shoots him = the problem is dealt with, regardless of who it is.
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lewarcher 489 wrote:And let me ask you another question: esurio pointed out a possible scumslip of Lelouch. After her post, people commented on it. Some believed she was right, some were unsure, and so on... you posted a couple of times after the apparent slip was pointed out by esurio. In your posts, you never mentioned it. Why?
This is a good point. I don't remember Espeonage or mb53 (possibly others) ever bringing this up, come to think of it.
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In regards to Tragedy, I'm still not prepared to join that wagon, but I will not stick my neck out for her. Since I'm not technically in the voting bloc, I will continue to push mb53 as the best lynch at the moment.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:53 pm
by RedCoyote
Who is Dampe?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:52 am
by Tragedy
I'm not approved of crazy's vote.
Will explain later.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:56 am
by Super Smash Bros. Fan
RedCoyote wrote:Who is Dampe?
He's the grave keeper in
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
I never really knew the person's name, although I did know that there was a gravekeeper (Got far enough into the game to see one). More information about him can be found here.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:34 am
by lewarcher82
Ythan wrote:
The Master Hand wrote:Tragedy's style this time around is different from the scum games I've played with him, so I'm actually getting a town read.
Can you fill this out so it's a useful comment to someone other than you?
Yes, please, fill it out. As far as I see - checking my own memory and her huge and superfluous amount of posts on this site - Tragedy was scum in one game only: Frenzy mafia. Is it the game you are referring to? And if it is, is the comparison significant, considering that it was probably her *first* game on this site (Trag correct me if this is wrong)?
Moreover: apart from meta, do you think she was scummy or not? If you do, I find it irrelevant to state that she is scummy in a different way than she used to be in her first game a couple of months ago. If you don't, show me her pro-town content, please, because I don't see it.
@RC: about espe ignoring the apparent slip you write:
RC wrote:
This is a good point. I don't remember Espeonage or mb53 (possibly others) ever bringing this up, come to think of it.
Glad you appreciate it. However, mb53 did mention it, as far as I see. A crappy comment, but at least he did not ignore it:
mb53 wrote:
Maybe I am wrong with my read on lelouch (I have accidentally defended scum before, I can link if you want me to), but I feel he is genuinly trying (even in the post where he gave up he was scum hunting lol). I don't know what to think of the quicktopic topic, it may or may not be a coincidence.
Weird: you made a case on him, I assumed you checked his ISO.
@Dana: the below post is noise. I don't get it. Are you calling SSBF scum? Or someone else who FoS'd you? Me? Who is it that is trying to make you look scummy?
dana wrote:
This is something I'm not going to do at this stage in the game. I have seen this pattern before. Someone asks me specifically out of a crowd of people who have not done the same to make a list of scumreads with reasons, then jumps all over it because they can make it look scummy and they want to. This inevitably ends in my lynch and my scumreads are never used by the town. Not gonna happen. I've given you the reasons I'm voting Espeonage, and it should be enough.
@Darla: quit prod-dodging or get replaced.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:54 am
by danakillsu
@ lewarcher
Nobody is necessarily trying to make me look scummy right now, but the person who asks me to give all my reads is usually trying to get me lynched in my experience. And it's a lot easier for them to do if I comply despite most people not having done the same.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:39 am
by esuriospiritus
There was some alcohol involved in my social excursions last night and my neurons are currently engaged in a civil war. No quadposting for me today~~~
I will say, however, that Espeonage's vote hopping is scummy as all hell.
"OHAI LET ME TALK ABOUT THE DEAD VI FOR FIVE PARAGRAPHS. oh btw vote xtoxm with one sentence of justification in what is otherwise possibly my longest post this entire game and say NOTHING WHATSOEVER about the person I have been tunnelling all game prior to this because WHY? orite, because SHE WAS TUNNELLING."
That + sheeping off lewarcher/dekes reads = I'm okay with the Voting Bloc of Awesome voting Espeonage today after all.
VOTE: Espeonage
Now, as for the Voting Bloc of Awesome...
Dekes wrote:Oh hell yeah, totally dig the voting bloc of awesome. RC can join. And Crazypianist, too. TMH and soras have yet to post something substantial on D2 (technically, crazy, too, but I remember having a strong town read on him D1 already). PatB needs ISOing. Like his vote on Tragedy although his PbPA outlines more the fact how useless Tragedy is. A concise case with a bit of opinion would do better.
lewarcher wrote:Since my townread of Dekes and Esurio is very strong, count me in.
my probtown list is composed by players who are also on your list, but not all of them. Namely (townier up, the 4 whom I'll accept in a VB):
TMH: as I said, I disagree with SSBF's case on TMH.
SSBF: I disagree with some of his points, as I said, but I am getting townvibes.
PatB: no strong read, but his attitude towards the Lelouch wagon sounds townish to me.
CrazyPianist: I really have no strong read. ISO 2 and 3 sounds townish to me. I'd like to see more content, but ok.
As we all gave Crazy a pass, here...
There wouldn't appear to be anyone else we agree upon at the moment, but I'll have us update our townreadlist later and adjust the bloc as necessary. Hopefully this thing will grow as we gain sturdier reads.
Current general consensus of the voting bloc would appear to be
Espeonage
. Crazy, do tell if you protest an Espeonage lynch.
