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↑ Slandaar wrote:Why so anxious for me to explain Aco?

Guess you will have to wait a bit longer.

Why not just answer the question?

↑ snifit wrote:Out of curiousity, which of the things I mentioned about Matt are towntells? Was it:
1) Fallacious reasoning to support useless predictions? (First half of #122)
2) Specious justification for a townread? (Second half of #122
3) Can't come up with impressive-sounding words to describe it, but the dicknose attack and subsequent posts is massively scummy. I understand dicknose not attacking him too strongly for it, but my face goes :/ when other people don't see him as scum for it.
The first two are misdirection. They're not useful things for town to do. The third is just...scum.

#1 is a towntell and you're just deciding it's not a functional scumhunting tool while I think it clearly is.
#2-3 I could at least agree could be argued (though I disagree) but #1 is a viable tool and just because you don't understand it you're calling it scummy all while also not actually explaining why scum would do it and town wouldn't - you're just calling it useless which is a Null Tell at WORST, and if anyone thinks it's scumhunting then you're calling scumhunting a scum tell which is derp.

↑ Slandaar wrote:'I am giving you enough rope to hang yourself'

Scumposting. There is no ifs or buts, its just hang, and then we get into how Yates perceives me as an SK which shows his perception as scum would be to think in this way as he did as an SK, he thinks as nonscum I seem (this is important,

he thinks I look, not am

) scummy as town ergo he thinks as scum the same thing and hencewhy we get the statement about waiting to hang me and that is what it is; Translation of his quote is; 'I am waiting to hang you'

Your scumtell is that he used a common euphemism, and you then took a literal translation of the euphemism, ignored the meaning, and applied the literal translation to the game of mafia lingo and...then called it a scumtell?

COuld I get two more votes on this guy please?

@Pere - stop voting Yates, that one is going no where, sheep me m0ar!

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ snifit wrote:Out of curiousity, which of the things I mentioned about Matt are towntells? Was it:
1) Fallacious reasoning to support useless predictions? (First half of #122)
2) Specious justification for a townread? (Second half of #122
3) Can't come up with impressive-sounding words to describe it, but the dicknose attack and subsequent posts is massively scummy. I understand dicknose not attacking him too strongly for it, but my face goes :/ when other people don't see him as scum for it.
The first two are misdirection. They're not useful things for town to do. The third is just...scum.

#1 is a towntell and you're just deciding it's not a functional scumhunting tool while I think it clearly is.
#2-3 I could at least agree could be argued (though I disagree) but #1 is a viable tool and just because you don't understand it you're calling it scummy all while also not actually explaining why scum would do it and town wouldn't - you're just calling it useless which is a Null Tell at WORST, and if anyone thinks it's scumhunting then you're calling scumhunting a scum tell which is derp.

↑ snifit wrote:

The first two are misdirection. They're not useful things for town to do.

Thor, I'm a big boy and I'm mostly fluent in English. Further, I understand how VCA is used. Shouting out wagon analysis and making useless conclusions in RVS where the voting is especially volatile is not scumhunting. (And I quote, "if Acosmist is scum there is at least one scum on my wagon (including people talking about my wagon)"; "if Acosmist is town there will be no scum on my wagon"; the first is useless because it's too vague and the second is useless because, well, it's stupid). Have you really thought about what Matt must have been thinking when he wrote that post? He decides Acosmist is town for reasons, which should indicate to him that all the people on or talking about Matt's wagon are town, but then he downgrades Peregrine from a townread, who voted Matt just 20 posts previously.
Is incoherence a town tell for you as well?

Anyway I'm sure your beard is bigger than mine and I'm fine lynching Slandaar. MattP can be dealt with later.

Town;
Psyche/Snif
Aco
MattP
JF
BK

PV prob
Ben prob paranoid town
Thor meh town prob

Leaves 4;
AI: poe town. if wrong on Yates Dany hes scum otherwise town.

Scum:
Yates/Dick/Dany

Just get Yates tomorrow, honestly. Also; If I am wrong on Dick - Thors scum

Yes I POEd the game about 10pages ago hencewhy vote on AI.

If you want to lynch Yates tommorow who do you think we should lynch today.

↑ snifit wrote:Thor, I'm a big boy and I'm mostly fluent in English. Further, I understand how VCA is used. Shouting out wagon analysis and making useless conclusions in RVS where the voting is especially volatile is not scumhunting. (And I quote, "if Acosmist is scum there is at least one scum on my wagon (including people talking about my wagon)"; "if Acosmist is town there will be no scum on my wagon"; the first is useless because it's too vague and the second is useless because, well, it's stupid). Have you really thought about what Matt must have been thinking when he wrote that post? He decides Acosmist is town for reasons, which should indicate to him that all the people on or talking about Matt's wagon are town, but then he downgrades Peregrine from a townread, who voted Matt just 20 posts previously.
Is incoherence a town tell for you as well?

So, at worst, your accusation is based on his shift on Peregrine, because other than that, I again see you discussing quite functional scumhunting and calling it scummy because you disagree with the method.

Here's a quick way to assess if this is really a scum tell; explain why town would be less likely to do this method of scumhunting, even if we agree it's sub-optimal scumhunting? I'll go ahead and agree with you (even though I don't) that it is stupid scumhunting that should never be done because it never gives reliable results (so is self-voting, or saying someone is scum because they're acting 'defensive') but how does that make him scummy for doing it?

↑ Slandaar wrote:PV prob

PV prob?
I'm getting prob as probably easy enough...but I'm too dense to manage PV.

↑ Slandaar wrote:Yes I POEd the game about 10pages ago hencewhy vote on AI.

Why did you vote AI on a PoE of 'town'?
If you didn't do that, what happened between now and then to make him more likely town via your PoE?

↑ snifit wrote:His posting before #152 and after it are different in kind. It's like he flipped a switch and said, "OK, this is the part of the game where I suspect someone." This is emphasized by the shitty quality of his points against you. His next half dozen posts just serve to mention your name again; they don't add anything to the game. I agree that the fake daycop thing stands out, but other than that the only thing of note he's said since #152 was a question to Slandaar about Agent_Ireland. He doesn't have anything else to contribute? Why does an attack on one of his nullreads catch his attention like that? (Especially since he thinks Slandaar is town--yes, you care who your townreads are voting, but mostly you just want them to vote your scumreads.)
It doesn't look like town play.

No, I stopped caring shortly after. And I still don't, and I am trying to care more.

I do think you're town by the way you're trying hard to maneuver and find a way to get a strong scumread of yours lynched. I would like to know why Benmage thinks youre scum / if he still does.

I've been prodded. I hate it when others do this, so you all have my sincerest apologies. I will catch up within 24 hours.

@Slandaar - how could you possibly have so many Town already while simultaneously being so wrong and weak on your reads? I saw your lul-case on me. What's your beef with Dick and Danny?

Prodded. Like some common townie.

Hrmph!

↑ Thor665 wrote:@Pere - stop voting Yates, that one is going no where, sheep me m0ar!

I'm actually voting Snifit from 428 and 469.

Why Slaandar? Besides the obvious reason.

Snifit is even more obviously townie than Yates.

Shouldn't the obvious reason be enough of a reason, this is mafia, not rocket science.

↑ JohnnyFarrar wrote:you (PV) are voting me. So I don't like you. (Though this reason is better than the last one I replied to). A couple questions: 1) Acosmist used the term "bussing" before I did on page one. Why did you pick me out and not him? 2)Why did you leave BK off this list of people you posted for me? and 3) I'm just curious, you say I'm part of the scumteam. Is it going to kill all your reads when I flip town (if I get lynched that is)

1. His use of it was grammatically correct. You know, as far as it goes.
2. Just forgot to add him. Wanted more comprehensive information from you about all players.
3. My reads such as they are are total crap. I'll probably end up sheeping Thor, and he'll end up scum, and I'll be all:

So, no, it won't.

↑ Thor665 wrote:Snifit is even more obviously townie than Yates.

Shouldn't the obvious reason be enough of a reason, this is mafia, not rocket science.

But Slandaar is like Schroedinger's Scum.

Ok, give me the short version/post numbers where Slandaar gets all scummy and I'll check them out.

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ BK201 wrote:Thor and Ben, can you restate you reasons for voting Slandaar?

His move and reasons for the move onto the AI wagon combined with previous actions regarding his dicknose push and the way he responded to questioning thereof.

People keep asking, I keep repeating.
No one has asked a follow up yet.

I'll add in 'his Yates case in its entirety' but that's still hinging somewhat on getting his scum-avoiding-responses-backside to respond to my attack there. But I did call it the worst thing since sliced bread with very specific reasons, and his response was to give his last will and testament post so...meh.

Sorry I've been less active, it's been a busy weekend at work.

I didn't see any comments on BK being scum. Do you guys disagree with my arguments or just my conclusion?

VOTE: Slandaar. I'll explain my vote when Slan explains himself. I figure he has a head start.

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ Thor665 wrote:

↑ BK201 wrote:Thor and Ben, can you restate you reasons for voting Slandaar?

His move and reasons for the move onto the AI wagon combined with previous actions regarding his dicknose push and the way he responded to questioning thereof.

People keep asking, I keep repeating.
No one has asked a follow up yet.

Awesome. Post finding and reading. I'll do this when next motivated.

↑ Bricktoes wrote:I didn't see any comments on BK being scum. Do you guys disagree with my arguments or just my conclusion?

You won the argument but that doesn't make it scummy - I'm a disagree with conclusion.
Also, you gave up on it quick, so it's not like you bought into it much either. Did you at least learn anything from it? It was pretty atrocious to skim over, took me almost 30 seconds.

If Slandaar is scum, pretty sure idany is.

Why, what am I missing?