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McStab · Post Post #500 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:37 am

I knew you were pushing for a mass name claim early on, you've softclaimed a PR but refused to outline exactly what it is, and you've been rolefishing for people hard. That alone is enough to quantify you as scum.

Unless you have a good reason for a mass nameclaim, which I didn't see when I skimmed your posts. Or is your logic just that your vague roleclaim could use names?

IceGuy · Post Post #501 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:39 am

↑ McStab wrote:I knew you were pushing for a mass name claim early on, you've softclaimed a PR but refused to outline exactly what it is, and
you've been rolefishing for people hard.
That alone is enough to quantify you as scum.

Where?

And if you know all that, why do you still claim "you're only going to catch stupid scum in a nameclaim"?

Unless you have a good reason for a mass nameclaim, which I didn't see when I skimmed your posts. Or is your logic just that your vague roleclaim could use names?

Loaded question ahoy!

McStab · Post Post #502 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:46 am

By pushing for a mass name claim, presumably those who push harder against it would be the ones with PRs. It's not as obvious as asking someone to claim (like MattP is to you) but obviously VTs won't care about giving names up.

As for why it would only catch stupid scum in a nameclaim, DCL explained exactly why. It's History. Any scum with a brain can comeup with a good name claim, and chances are they won't overlap with any town names.

It may be an aggressive question, but the point still holds that that IS your logic up until now. Dodging the question ahoy?

IceGuy · Post Post #503 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:55 am

↑ McStab wrote:By pushing for a mass name claim, presumably those who push harder against it would be the ones with PRs. It's not as obvious as asking someone to claim (like MattP is to you) but obviously VTs won't care about giving names up.

Why do you think VTs wouldn't care about claiming names?

As for why it would only catch stupid scum in a nameclaim, DCL explained exactly why. It's History. Any scum with a brain can comeup with a good name claim, and chances are they won't overlap with any town names.

It may be an aggressive question, but the point still holds that that IS your logic up until now. Dodging the question ahoy?

No, it's just that you either pretend not to understand or you really don't understand.

When I ask for a mass name claim and softclaim a PR, it means I'm looking to use the information gathered in the mass name claim for my PR. This has nothing to do with catching scum by counterclaims.

DCLXVI · Post Post #504 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:34 am

↑ IceGuy wrote:When I ask for a mass name claim and softclaim a PR, it means I'm looking to use the information gathered in the mass name claim for my PR.

and why the hell would town claim to have a PR day one? Care to explain that one ICE?

DCLXVI · Post Post #505 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:43 am

↑ McStab wrote:I see too many townreads as strange, at this stage of the game. Townvibes may emerge Day One, but as a member of the uninformed majority, I frequently get scumvibes from more players than I do townvibes. With no flips and no reference point to go off, I personally have a sense of paranoia Day One, and so I'm still somewhat concerned about the amount of townreads he has at this stage of the game. That being said, his play hasn't been particularly scummy, but his large amount of town and null reads really stuck out to me.

Who is this paragraph directed at?

IceGuy · Post Post #506 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:44 am

↑ DCLXVI wrote:
and why the hell would town claim to have a PR day one? Care to explain that one ICE?

Usual benefit-risk balancing.

MattP · Post Post #507 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:46 am

Mod can we have a VC?

We have two days til deadline guys.

DCLXVI · Post Post #508 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:47 am

↑ IceGuy wrote:Usual benefit-risk balancing.

What benifit do you get if the scum off you night one?

IceGuy · Post Post #509 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:53 am

↑ DCLXVI wrote:
What benifit do you get if the scum off you night one?

That's obviously not a benefit, that's a risk.

MattP · Post Post #510 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:55 am

VOTE: DCL

Done.

DCLXVI · Post Post #511 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:57 am

Hm, care to explain that?

MattP · Post Post #512 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:02 am

Your push on IceGuy is opportunistic and sucks.

"What benifit do you get if the scum off you night one?"

"and why the hell would town claim to have a PR day one? Care to explain that one ICE?"

Certain language is just for the sake of incriminating IceGuy. You're being overly aggressive in the push on him

Nexus · Post Post #513 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:03 am

'We are not makers of history. We are made by historyl' - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Votecount 1.9:

ChaosOmega (3): MichelSableheart, Quilford, IceGuy
McStab (2): Bitmap, ChaosOmega
Shamrock (2): Amrun, Deasvail
DCLXVI (2): Staeg, MattP
IceGuy (2): DCLXVI, McStab
MichelSableheart (1): scooby
Amrun (1): Shamrock

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is 8am (BST) on the 30th July (Less than 2 days!)

ChaosOmega is v/la until Sunday afternoon

Quilford has been prodded.

IceGuy · Post Post #514 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:05 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DCLXVI

DCLXVI · Post Post #515 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:05 am

↑ MattP wrote:You're being overly aggressive in the push on him

pot, kettle, black

MattP · Post Post #516 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:06 am

↑ DCLXVI wrote:
↑ MattP wrote:You're being overly aggressive in the push on him

pot, kettle, black

Difference is that I want a question answered and am pushing him for that answer. You're pushing him for the sake of pushing with no apparent direction to it.

DCLXVI · Post Post #517 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:13 am

↑ DCLXVI wrote:and why the hell would town claim to have a PR day one? Care to explain that one ICE?

No, I am also pushing him for an answer to a question. Your being a bit hypocritical matt.

I think it is completely valid point that I am pushing at.

IceGuy · Post Post #518 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:15 am

↑ DCLXVI wrote:
↑ DCLXVI wrote:and why the hell would town claim to have a PR day one? Care to explain that one ICE?

No, I am also pushing him for an answer to a question. Your being a bit hypocritical matt.

I think it is completely valid point that I am pushing at.

It's actually not.

DCLXVI · Post Post #519 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:17 am

↑ IceGuy wrote:It's actually not.

why not?

MattP · Post Post #520 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:19 am

He claimed because there was pressure on him when he requested a massclaim, your question tries to incriminate him for that decision, your tunnel-vision on IceGuy this entire game sucks and it just looks like you're nervous to direct your scumreads in too many places

DCLXVI · Post Post #521 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:24 am

↑ MattP wrote:your tunnel-vision on IceGuy this entire game sucks and it just looks like you're nervous to direct your scumreads in too many places

....and you weren't having tunnel vision on earlier?

DCLXVI · Post Post #522 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:25 am

Um read through my iso, I've been interacting with almost everyone, I certainly have not had "tunnel vision" on any one person.

IceGuy · Post Post #523 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:45 am

↑ DCLXVI wrote:
↑ IceGuy wrote:It's actually not.

why not?

As I said, it's always a benefit-risk decision. Always. In every single game something like this happens.

Giving more information would mean fullclaiming.

DCLXVI · Post Post #524 (ISO) » Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:52 am

OK, I get that you are saying it is a benefit risk decision.

The risk is obvious, the fact that you have claimed being a pr means you will be dead or role blocked tomorrow, I would be shocked if neither of those things happened.

I just can't see anything that could offset that risk.

What possible benefit could counter out that risk?

The answer is none,

which is why I just can't see you as town right now.