Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.
I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.
Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.
"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:58 am
by SafetyDance
↑pitoli wrote:Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.
I've got a project due later tonight,
after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.
Is this something you find ok? Do you want someone who's hypothetically-town in the game to have "murky" reads that are due to time constraints and having to skim posts? Do you want hypothetical-scum to be able to use "murky" as an excuse for their inaccurate reads?
Asking for help towards clarity, again, is not laziness.
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:00 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
Next post you make complaining about thread length I'm going to policy you
It adds nothing to discussion, heightens needless animosity, and...what? Oh, that's right.
Makes the thread longer
Pedit: I sometimes post late at night and I preface my posts with that fact. I don't find it alignment indicative
↑pitoli wrote:Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.
I've got a project due later tonight,
after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.
Is this something you find ok? Do you want someone who's hypothetically-town in the game to have "murky" reads that are due to time constraints and having to skim posts? Do you want hypothetical-scum to be able to use "murky" as an excuse for their inaccurate reads?
Asking for help towards clarity, again, is not laziness.
Do you normally jump this hard on stuff like this?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:06 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
SD: T->S list and your opinion on a syryana or deltabacon lynch
Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.
I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.
Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.
"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.
↑fferyllt wrote:I expect to get lynched early as town more than is my "normal" at MS, in part because my play style evolved elsewhere and it's going to change as I get used to this site. changes are almost always suspicious in mafia. I think my insistence on earning my reputation here instead of importing it from elsewhere is also going to cause trouble, but I'm ok with that.
It's 1am and I just read through ff's only other scum game. This isn't my summarize case but I'm more convinced than ever that FF is scum.
-Ff seems to be more passive and just seems to be less engaged. This is reflected in how FF dealt with Nero.
-Why did she form such a strong read on me from literally 4 one line RVS posts--but not anyone else? Why hasn't she an opinion on Buldemar, who I assume she has offsite experience with? Where is her vote, her other reads? If she's such a strong town player and her 4 vote take it to the grave read on me isn't out of the ordinary, it's strange that she doesn't have a vote down.
-She's been less confrontational, and have expressed very few (if any?) original ideas
-I dislike the syryana vote on page 2. I don't see the pro-town intentions behind it, I don't like how she didn't follow it up
-The KBW thing still confuses me. Why are you referring to it, since you bought it up in reference to a quicklynch? Day 1 of our game was the furthest thing from a quicklynch, ever.
-She's calling out lurker for "needing more content". Don't you need more content from a lot of people (pitoli, etc)? Why singling out lurker, and this insinuates that you don't need more content on anyone else (or at least have enough to work with). I've yet to see an influx of reads from you
And everything previously mentioned
My reading of FF's game really only gave me one thing (well, three, and I'm going to save the other two for later). She's more mellow as scum. And I think I'm seeing that in her posts in this game.
This is just to jot down stuff, ill make a case with specific quotes tomorrow, but this is basically an outline.
SD: I'm going through the thread and picking out important posts
Read p7 in its entirety, it's important
Why are you basing a lot of your reads of Ff based on meta? Don't you think that's dangerous?
Have you ever had a read of anyone in RVS? I doesn't matter how soon or small the sample size, everyone has reads, however raw.
All early reads are tentative and subject to revision.
This is 100% true. Otherwise game would be boring, static and over quickly if everyone's reads weren't dynamic.
And in the same token too much information is bad and can obfuscate things, someone lurking and providing little-to-no information is bad also. So that's all perfectly valid.
I didn't realize before today just how bad the players aside from the three of us are. If we keep fery around for another day or two, we can get a better and more accurate read. The same cannot be said for the lurkers.
This is just FIGJAM. Just because you three are hyper-posting that does not mean you everyone else is bad. I'm sure deltabacon, Syrana don't think their bad so why mention this.
So to understand your views, you think ff is scum because of meta and you think buld is town and that any vote or suspicion on him is bad? And you've been 2v1ing for most of the week?
Well at least you apparently don't like lurkers either. That's a start.
↑pitoli wrote:Hey guys, just posting quickly after skimming the thread again.
I've got a project due later tonight,
after which you can expect updates on my reads, however murky.
Is this something you find ok? Do you want someone who's hypothetically-town in the game to have "murky" reads that are due to time constraints and having to skim posts? Do you want hypothetical-scum to be able to use "murky" as an excuse for their inaccurate reads?
Asking for help towards clarity, again, is not laziness.
Do you normally jump this hard on stuff like this?
I am trying to get my point across.
↑orcinus_theoriginal wrote:SD: T->S list and your opinion on a syryana or deltabacon lynch
Scum in: buldermar, fferyllt, orcinus_theoriginal
Possible scum in: nero, Lurker
No idea: pitoli, Deltabacon, Syryana
Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.
I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.
Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.
"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.
Were I talking to you? No. So stfu.
Vote: buldermar
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:24 am
by SafetyDance
↑Nero wrote:Depends on my situation with safetydance.
What situation? The one where you start playing? That would be nice. I wont hold your hand though.
Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.
I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.
Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.
"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.
Were I talking to you? No. So stfu.
Vote: buldermar
For the love of god
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:28 am
by pitoli
I know I said I would like to policy someone before, but I don't think lynching Lurker would give us a whole lot of information regardless of what he flips.
I'd be more okay with the suggested Syryana lynch today since his quickly voting fferylit and then buldermar in the span of one page - yeah that was tripping all sorts of alarms in my head. I think Syr didn't want to look like he was backing down on his possible ffery "investigation", but voted buldermar when he saw the chance. In regards to the ffery+Syryana team, eh it's a bit of a reach. I can't seem to put my finger on why, but ffery's posts still seem to lean town.
But I never like trying to call the scumteam on day one because probability says you're always going to be horribly, horribly off.
Go ISO yourself and pick a few posts that you think are representative of important landmarks in the game. Just a few.
I'm aware that you wont like this, but it's not going to happen. It's a game of 20 pages with 9 players most of which hardly have posted - it's a quick read and he can just quit being lazy. If he has questions to specific posts I'm fine with answering them.
Get that rod out of your ass. I've already read the whole thread. It's 3 people walling each other, look at what orc is posting. It's not easy having to read through all that again. It's not lazy to ask for you yourselves to summarise the whole pages. It also helps with reads on yourselves as we can then gauge whether your interpretation of everything is the same as what we think. ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING LAZY.
"Its only 20 pages", that more than some games reach at day 3 with 13 players. You three have been posting at a fast rate and you can not tell it is helping. Again, do you think it really helps that those catching up have to ISO the other players not in your ménage trois to remember their posts? No.
Were I talking to you? No. So stfu.
Alright you're probably town for that.
Vote: buldermar
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:29 am
by buldermar
Messed up that last post. "Alright you're probably town for that." is my response to his vote.
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:31 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
Pitoli: by that logic, we would never be able to lynch Nero/Lurker because their posts wouldn't give us any information
I feel like SD is town
Pedit: ninja'd
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:32 am
by buldermar
↑pitoli wrote:I know I said I would like to policy someone before, but I don't think lynching Lurker would give us a whole lot of information regardless of what he flips.
I'd be more okay with the suggested Syryana lynch today since his quickly voting fferylit and then buldermar in the span of one page - yeah that was tripping all sorts of alarms in my head. I think Syr didn't want to look like he was backing down on his possible ffery "investigation", but voted buldermar when he saw the chance. In regards to the ffery+Syryana team, eh it's a bit of a reach. I can't seem to put my finger on why, but ffery's posts still seem to lean town.
But I never like trying to call the scumteam on day one because probability says you're always going to be horribly, horribly off.
This is a bit vague. Syryana is the only lynch that you're okay with? So why are you not voting?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:32 am
by orcinus_theoriginal
↑buldermar wrote:Messed up that last post. "Alright you're probably town for that." is my response to his vote.
Thoughts on his t/s list?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:32 am
by buldermar
↑orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pitoli: by that logic, we would never be able to lynch Nero/Lurker because their posts wouldn't give us any information
I feel like SD is town
Pedit: ninja'd
I do too - mostly because of 512.
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:33 am
by fferyllt
yeah that. (re SD)
pitoli's last post somehow...isn't as townish as I'd expect.