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OH and Scott gets scum points for trying to start a new wagon so close to deadline, because as of 468 nobody was voting toomai and we are 1 day out.

This I actually agree with a lot. The way that Scott comes in, doesn't comment on anything going on in the thread, and attempts to start a new wagon is a really classic scum-play.

I'd be willing to compromise on him tbh. Was my original scumread anywho.

Actually nvm. I still can't figure out why scum-scott wouldn't have hammered NC in his position.

Gotta think this one out a bit.

I'm willing to go for a scott lynch as well, but there isn't much more time to think though. It is nearing our time to act. If enough people are with me I'll shift my vote to Scott since it doesn't look like either party going to sway on the ACfan wagon. Scott has seemed far more scummy then Cage. If he didn't hammer him maybe he wanted to keep a scum buddie alive? Though that would have to mean they are both scum. I can see scum coming out of one of them but idk if they both would flip scum. Though I feel a Scott lynch right now would be better then NicCage atm. What does everyone else think?

Clearly I was not prepared for this amount of posts.

I don't really have any idea what to think. As it stands I prefer the NC lynch over the acf one because I feel it will provide more useful information overall. If we're lucky we have a Vig that'll shoot acf and solve that question simultaneously.

SB has 0 votes right now and I don't think we should try to pile them on today, since that'll just make things more complicated should it turn out that not enough people join in.

In post 503, Toomai wrote:Clearly I was not prepared for this amount of posts.

I don't really have any idea what to think. As it stands I prefer the NC lynch over the acf one because I feel it will provide more useful information overall. If we're lucky we have a Vig that'll shoot acf and solve that question simultaneously.

SB has 0 votes right now and I don't think we should try to pile them on today, since that'll just make things more complicated should it turn out that not enough people join in.

That's true I suppose.

Last minute wagons can be alright, as long as people are active. If we don't make up the difference, you just need to have people go onto another wagon as a Plan B.

I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Scott a little more. He's one of the few people in the thread who completely avoided the shitfest around my AC fan case. Scum generally are scared to get involved in such chaos.

UNVOTE: ac1983fan

With great reluctance I'm doing this.

I will gladly lynch him if I can get the support for it today, but alas I can't see that happening given how many people are hesitant about his claim. I had initially planned to play chicken with the non-voters and force them to vote ac1983fan at the end of the day, but at the end of the day, we need a lynch. While activity has improved in the last few days, it's not at the point where I'm comfortable consolidating at the last minute.

So therefore I'm back to my old platform:

We should be lynching

Nic Cage

or

Scott

today unless someone goes about and acts even scummier.

Given ac1983fan's treatment of NC, I'm still very wary of lynching NC. It feels like a pure lurker lynch, and If I have no choice, I'd lynch him just to see someone flip, but I'm still not sold about NC.

I do want to lynch Scott though. I can sympathise with suspicion against Toomai, and even last-minute wagons. However him starting a wagon on Toomai while failing to address or post during the whole "ac1983fan shitfest" screams scum to me. That's the exact type of environment that scum are scared of, and Scott dodged it all beautifully.

VOTE: Scott Brosius



Day's almost over, and we've had a nice last few days of discussion. All we need to do is get a good lynch.

So tl;dr

If I need to vote NC to prevent a no-lynch, I will do so. However, I'd like to see if we can get support for a wagon on Scott first. Both are useless lurkers, but I find Scott's behavior scummier over the past few days.

In post 503, Toomai wrote:Clearly I was not prepared for this amount of posts.

I don't really have any idea what to think. As it stands I prefer the NC lynch over the acf one because I feel it will provide more useful information overall. If we're lucky we have a Vig that'll shoot acf and solve that question simultaneously.

SB has 0 votes right now and I don't think we should try to pile them on today, since that'll just make things more complicated should it turn out that not enough people join in.

Who in their right mind would shoot a claimed doctor night 1?

Hapa I may be willing to join you on the SB wagon if you elaborate your case a bit.

In post 471, hapahauli wrote: All this "don't lynch the PR" stuff

does not apply here.

It applies to normal doctor/cop claims, but not this one. In the case of a 1-shot claim, we lynch the guy if we think he's scum. End of story.

What makes a 1-shot claim all that different from a full claim? It's still a PR claim, and since we don't actually know what the setup is in this game, limited shot powers may actually be all we have.

In post 466, hapahauli wrote: You voting Varsoon implies that you think he's the

best

candidate availible. If he's not the best candidate in your mind, who is? Place your vote on that person.

Out of the people who have wagons, yes Varsoon is the best option. (for information that may be confusing you, some responses/conversations have changed which hydra head is speaking, I think Pie is less clear on Varsoon than I am)

In post 466, hapahauli wrote: I don't like this attitude. I feel like you've been talking around things and doing everything in your power not to make a vote-committment. Your plan here is essentially to wait and see, and give the town your "stamp of approval" by hammering someone. This is unacceptable when we have 24 hours left in the day. We need to be discussing reads, not doing hwat you are proposing.

I didn't like your attidtude about how acfan is scumscumscumscum.

There was still hope that other people would see the sense in Varsoon, but I guess there isn't now that Scott has moved off. Yes I haven't argued that much about it, but then I'd be hypocritical of my hatred towards people trying to lead the town around.

In post 482, hapahauli wrote: The problem is, I can't find any compelling reason for why the policy applies in the case of this current claim (1-shot doctor).
1) It won't be possible to verify his claim later, and outing a cop to do so is not a good long-term play.
2) The "suboptimal" decisions that scum could make here (NK'ing AC for example) are very unrealistic. If scum have a roleblocker, they can nullify his role without killing him. Secondly, I don't think it's realistic at all for scum to NK ACfan (if he's town) because he would be an almost sure-fire lynch for D2.

If he is the only protective role, then unless he is scum sacrificing a night, then it is possible to verify without resorting to a cop. (it would probably require massclaim though)
If he is a doctor, he has a protect in action tonight, scum may therefore avoid the optimal kill killing it would be protected. We do not know if they have a roleblocker or not. (and if who he protects dies, then we gain that additional information come his flip should he be telling the truth)

In post 493, Scott Brosius wrote: There seems to be support for this wagon lingering but nobody wants to take that first step.

unvote, vote: toomai

Somebody actually did this, we saw how quickly the acfan wagon grew, so why from the others with that suspicion is the reason for not voting not enough time?

I believe this vote to actually be town motivated

In post 497, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:Toomai is actually probably town

-J

What changed in the space between you calling him very scummy and ending the same post with this?

Anyway votecounts and deadline and needing time for him to claim as well tell me I need to vote my vote

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NicCage

In post 510, Cheery Pie wrote:What changed in the space between you calling him very scummy and ending the same post with this?

that post was being written as I went through each post. I started at the vote count in post 308 and went through each post writing what I saw as I read. Post 363 makes so much sense, especially the part about what Nic says in post 302.

In post 302 Nic says

In post 302, NicCage wrote:Also, I think zefiend is town now also, for what it's worth.

it is odd because in post 94 nic says

I guarantee that zefiend chose that vote because he thought it was safe, which would either point to scum or newb trying not to stick his neck out. I went with scum.

and between those zef has 2 posts (3 if you count his EBWOP) and the transition makes no sense, especially since nic doesn't explain why he does a 180.

AND hap also gains scum points for also trying to start a new wagon after I announce we have only 18 hours until deadline.

Nic is at L-1 now, so he needs to claim ASAP, like his very next post.

In post 512, Jake from Rainbowdash wrote:AND hap also gains scum points for also trying to start a new wagon after I announce we have only 18 hours until deadline.

Nic is at L-1 now, so he needs to claim ASAP, like his very next post.

Well idk in all fairness Scott is definitely in my opinion someone to watch. Out of him and NicCage I can see one of them flipping scum. Maybe or maybe not both that is a bit harder to decide. He is willing to go for the NicCage wagon if needed. I am also ready to cast my vote either way, but Nic needs to say something before it is too late. With as little time as he has it won't be long till one more person hammers in the nail.

So with the suspended deadline maybe we can get a wagon rolling on SB.

I'm not unvoting NC yet though. He's been at L-1 twice now and needs to claim.

I believe Cheery Pie has actually accused Hapa of being too town.

/confirm

In post 515, Toomai wrote:So with the suspended deadline maybe we can get a wagon rolling on SB.

I'm not unvoting NC yet though. He's been at L-1 twice now and needs to claim.

VOTE: Toomai
This is so incredibly scummy.

- GC

@NC - Don't claim. You're not on L-1 anymore.

- GC

Is there anyway to see someones filter for Day 1?

In post 519, GoodCopBadCop wrote:

In post 515, Toomai wrote:So with the suspended deadline maybe we can get a wagon rolling on SB.

I'm not unvoting NC yet though. He's been at L-1 twice now and needs to claim.

VOTE: Toomai
This is so incredibly scummy.

- GC

Wait...what?! Why? Why is this scummy?

In post 521, Dessx wrote:Is there anyway to see someones filter for Day 1?

Yeah Dessx you can just click there ISO next to there post number. Still in day one and have a few days till lynch so it gives you some time to catch up

Wait a second. Guys. We have 2 days now.