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, your lack of voting is starting to look like a reluctance to put someone at L-1 or hammer Mutley. The weight of your scum hunting is only backed up by your vote. If RM is looking less scummy, then who's looking comparatively more scummy?

In post 498, Kattaze wrote:I'd rather vote for someone I actually think is scum, hence my current vote. We'll get more info from his flip than yours anyway.

If it comes down to a no-lynch situation again then I would hammer you.

With my current computer situation I wouldn't mind being today's lynch, (it'd take away the bad feeling of not getting to post often enough). But I don't want to go against my win condition either. I'm curious what you expect to get from my lynch. It's not going to help you figure out my partners, you either already know them, or you don't. That is a real question to you, what do you think you'll get from my flip?

Mutleyddmc wrote:Someone should just hammer me, get a flip go for RM then flay possibly after that (I need info to solidfy my read on flay)

What good are your reads after you flip? You'll be able to post in the dead QT at best.

Mutleyddmc wrote:Kattaze I'd rather not lynch flay today. He is a hige candidate for tomorrow.

Why do you see Mr. Flay as a "Huge candidate" tomorrow? Is there a case you have on him yet?

, is there a reason you don't have a vote on anyone ATM?

I'm not really liking Mutley ATM, and I'd be willing to hammer, if no one has any objections. His willingness to be lynched could be a ploy, (cog dis again)? Mutley don't claim until we see if anyone has objections.

Ok Jon you just came across hugely scummy. I don't care about going into too much detail in my reads because they mean nothing without a flip right now. I don't mind being the flip to give you guys info. I can probably be more use alive but I can do just as much use dead so go ahead and hammer jon

Honestly I'd say just hammer him. It's going to give us information, This day has lasted almost a week and we're no more closer to knowing anything than we were before.

Just hammer. I won't I've done it as town before and got told off as xiao knows. So someone hammer and get yourself some info

, lying over and dying is profoundly anti-town. Why don't you try to put forward a compelling counter-case on someone else?

If agree with you if it wasn't day 2 with no kill or lynch

@Mutley You say you've read the whole thread, surely you've made some kind of reads. Or are you trying to not say anything to link to your partner. I'm giving you another chance to give your reads and/or claim before I hammer. This is your chance, speak now or forever ...

I've made reads.

And posted them..... Maybe you should read

Oh and VOTE: Jon

Just in case he doesn't hammer. I pretty much claimed earlier ruby saying it was selfish of lort to soft claim a PR. I'm VT

OK you did give reads, And you're claiming VT.

I'm going to go ahead and hammer.
VOTE: Mutley

Lol so you were annoyed because you thought I didn't give reads and then when I show you I did you hammer. Oh well we needed info.

Last reads for you all

Scum is in Jon, flay and jerry

I've cooled on rm a bit

Good luck guys btw. I feel I should give some advice to someone but I'm scared it will help scum

@ Mutley There are only two scum in"Road to Rome" games.

Don't help scum.

Final Vote Count - Day 2

Mutleyddmc (5)

: Mr. Flay, Xiao Long, rmpeacoc, JerryArr, jon_h61

jon_h61 (3)

: Kattaze, notquitethere, Mutleyddmc

No Vote (1)

: pitoli

Vote Count 3.0

No Vote (7)

: JerryArr, jon_h61, Kattaze, Mr. Flay, notquitethere, rmpeacoc, Xiao Long

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline is Thursday, July 4 at 6:00 PM CDT, which is in (expired on 2013-07-04 18:00:00).

VOTE: jon

1. Continues to be scummy by asking mutley for his reads then when he gave them, he hammered him.

2. Mutley gave jon as his top scumread.

3. All the relational stuff from mutley flipping town which I identified here:

In post 272, Kattaze wrote: As for jon, I didn't really like his post in #264 about lortaku:

In post 264, jon_h61 wrote:After ISOing Lortaku the amazing thing is that there is so little to comment on. He plays the newbie card, makes excuses for not having any reads, or time. He apologizes for his play, and sheeps other people.

In post 204, lortaku wrote:I'd say that one of the people who are currently voting for Xiao is probably scum, since it's the largest bandwagon at this point, and it hasn't really changed much throughout the day.

I get the feeling Lortaku wants to take the path of least resistance, and try to hide in the middle of the herd. A classic scum tactic.

In post 243, lortaku wrote:Like I said earlier, I think that one of the people voting for Xiao are scum. Because rmp seemed genuine town for me from the heated exchange before, and Kattaze seems to be contributing as town, I'm gonna go with VOTE: Mr. Flay
His vote has been on Xiao for some time, even though Xiao doesn't seem like scum. Also, it would provide some information on jon_h61, whether he's town or scum. Since they're defending each other.

I think he's just parroting reads he read earlier, and not attempting to come up with his own. If he makes it to Day 2, I'm definitely going to be pressing him for more substantial reads.

This just seems like an exaggeration to me, I think he's got a bit of tunnel vision on lortaku, maybe trying to manufacture a lynch without actually participating himself to take the heat off if/when lortaku flips town.

Btw, did pitoli ever breadcrumb her role? I didn't notice it.

In post 502, jon_h61 wrote:

@ Pitoli

, is there a reason you don't have a vote on anyone ATM?

Should have waited for her to answer, at least. Why ask then hammer in the next couple posts so she can't?


Also, Pitoli was pretty quick on RMP at the start of D2. But I have no idea if she investigated her or not.

In post 519, Xiao Long wrote: Also, Pitoli was pretty quick on RMP at the start of D2. But I have no idea if she investigated her or not.

To me, there are two possibilities.

• In 411, Pitoli outright says Xiao is town. She doesn't say why, although Xiao's posts before are likely to be big reasons in context.
  
• In 424, she reaffirms Town Xiao from her "gut".
  
• Post 473, she doubts that Xiao and RMP are partners, implying one is town.

or

• Most of Pitoli's Day 2. She went after RMP real early that day, in particular 358, 359, and 366.
  
• 403 seems like someone with info trying to lead a just wagon in hindsight.
  
• In 424, RMP is noted as "scummier".

My guess is , because her vote wasn't on RMP at the end of the day, but it wouldn't exactly shock me if RMP was determined to be scum, and was killed because Pitoli was on to her.

Stupendous busy the next few days, but will try to get on in the mornings at least.

not seeing any guilty crumbs from pitoli on a reread, though #371 is more interesting now. Definitely not seeing a guilty on rmp, reads are too wishy-washy. Town investigation on Xiao is possible, but there is a non-zero chance the Mafia has a Roleblocker and stopped any result at all. Unless someone sees a more definite crumb we should not stress on that line of thought.

vote yet for me. I need to reread the end of D2.

In post 477, pitoli wrote:Mmkay well after getting slightly tunneled on RMP my scum read on her has lessened...

I doubt she investigated rmp. If she had, and got a scum read, she definitely wouldn't have said this. Jerry might be right about Xiao though, from the quotes he gave it looks a lot like pitoli was trying to dissuade town from thinking he is scum without letting anyone know that she was the cop.

Stupid phone.

In post 521, Mr. Flay wrote:

No

vote yet for me.

In post 522, Kattaze wrote:

In post 477, pitoli wrote:Mmkay well after getting slightly tunneled on RMP my scum read on her has lessened...

I doubt she investigated rmp. If she had, and got a scum read, she definitely wouldn't have said this. Jerry might be right about Xiao though, from the quotes he gave it looks a lot like pitoli was trying to dissuade town from thinking he is scum without letting anyone know that she was the cop.

Very true, great points.