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In post 499, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:

In post 373, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Bulbazak, I am not going to quote again so I'll use numbered points:

1) Why am I not an easy person to develop a read on? I find it a rather odd comment considering my scum play and town play are very different.

I'm going to answer because you bug the hell out of me. You are a weirdo. You have a weird style. You are very concerned with other people's reads on you rather than their reads on others. You

sound

like a townie but you look like scum. It's very confusing.

I think I am finally starting to understand what the problem is. You think I am asking Bulbazak what his read on me is because I care how I am perceived by him. That is not the case. I am asking him because I want to know whether he is town developing legitimate reads or scum either bullshitting reads or refusing to give them out so he can conveniently join any wagon he wants.

F-16 wrote:2) You are using a very weak RVS-POE reason this late into the game. It was an RVS-wagon. I don't think scum would particularly care that they are on the same wagon.

I also don't think scum would keep pounding on it even after people's reads on Pitoli have changed. So why do you think Bulb is scum for thinking Pitoli's RVS post is a good place to start?

I don't think he is scum because he thought Pitoli's RVS post is a good place to start.

F-16 wrote:3) It bothers me that you are hedging on me. You seem to be aware that I might end up being a "default" wagon for everyone to move their votes to, and so you decline to give a read on me in order to later vote me as a compromise. This lets other players like ETL take the brunt of the responsbility for my lynch absolving you of any.

I disagree. I have only read up to this post but it seems to me that most people have the same consideration of you that I do, that I mentioned after #1 above.

Okay.

F-16 wrote:4) Your discussion with Sangres is one that they have initiated. It wasn't a pro-active effort from you to determine my affiliation. They asked you questions and pressed you for answers and you answered them.

What is the point here? Other than the fact that Sangres asked him questions that he answered.

Bulbazak claims that he tried to develop a read on me by discussing it with Sangres. It implies that he made a pro-active effort. The point is he didn't.

F-16 wrote:5) Why do you not care to read me or pay attention to me? I am a player in this game just like any other with just as much chance of being scum or town as any other player.

This is what I'm talking about. Why are you so concerned about people's reads on you?

Read answer to #1. I don't care if he reads me as scum or town. I care whether he has a townie thought process behind his reads or a scum one.

You couldn't just answer simply????

In post 501, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:You couldn't just answer simply????

What are you talking about?

You literally could have said:

I'm more interested in whether people are developing genuine reads and using myself as constant. The point of my comment on Bulb/Sangres is that he made it seem pro-active when it wasn't.

What is wrong with people.

I could have. I guess I am generally a verbose player.

Too many words
ETL, what do you think about Purple arose recently?

Too many words
ETL, what do you think about Purple Rose recently?

I don't know, I haven't gotten to any new posts of her's yet.

Lemme know when you do

In post 484, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 479, sangres wrote: Experiential meta says something's off, but with 2 games (one of which was a relatively short interaction due to our both of us replacing in on day 3 of a newbie game, I'm not sure "off" translates to something alignment indicative. He's meta'd the crap out of me for both prior games, so I feel like he should be aware of the variance in both my solo and hydra play. I also don't think I've ever been BoP'ed to this extent in a game. OTOH with or without my presence in a hydra, Nacho is not an easy mislynch, so I have doubts that scum F-16 would push us/me to the extent he has as scum.

I can guess what you would say is "off" since my play is different from both games we played together. I don't like that you can't actually describe it. It is more like I have to make the connections myself, and figure out what it is that was different from this game compared to games we played together, and deduce that those differences are the ones you are picking up on.

responded to this last night.

You are also BoP'ing me to a large extent expecting me to know how you operate in a hydra etc. I meta'd most people in the HPCOS game and I don't think I'd be able to pin down differences in individual play vs hydra play for everyone in the game. I do remember reading two games as town where you hydra'd with Buldermar and Orcinus and in both of them, your behavior was similar to your town behavior. And the Xenologue game, your behavior was similar to here (where you let your partner take the lead).

I think the BoP stuff goes both ways, if that's what it is.

Maybe my expectations are OTT, but I don't feel they are. Not even Empire has written as extensively about my scum and town playstyle as you have. Re hydraing with Buldermar and Orcinus, you're talking about relatively early games when I wasn't playing as many simultaneous games as I do these days. In the Selkies games I usually wound up flying solo for extensive periods due to orcinus' availability. And hydraing with buldermar required pretty much full-time diplomacy efforts. Diplomacy is not exactly my forte. :/

What is throwing me off is that your scum-game actually improved to the point since Newbie 1415 to where it would difficult to determine your affiliation based on rudimentary things like activity level, pro-activeness, making cases, and whether you spend time questioning and sorting people. You can clearly do all those things as scum. The fact that you aren't doing it is throwing me off and making me wonder if I am scumhunting the wrong way entirely. I find it hard to buy that it is just the fact that you are in a hydra.

I thought you read the Rapture mini and the River City newbie games. I wish it weren't the case, but sometimes how my games go is pretty much ordained by how they start. I missed the start of this game, I got on your bad side from my first post, and I've been mostly sticking through it this week out of stubbornness. A reread this weekend when there's less going on irl will probably resolve most of that. And, what isn't resolved is going to wind up in my wifom bucket. Right now you're in my maybe-town, but not possible to work with pile. :/

I am also confused about why you are not explaining what it was that you intended to get with your conversation with Bulbazak earlier, and also your lack of interaction with me (or actually every player in the game). Most of the times where you interacted with a player were responses to interactions that the other player initiated.

I intended to get a read on bulba and learn whether I agree with Nacho about him.

I like to start with mundane questions and see where they lead. I'm pretty sure you said you read the Narnia micro that Rach moderated. goodmorning interrupted my questioning of BROseidon and I yelled at her. That was a case where it was a scum player stomping through my questioning of what turned out to be a townie. I am kinda watching for that sort of thing now, to see what alignments are more likely to break into another player's scumhunting.

I don't see why it is not possible to work with me. We're in agreement that ETL and Pitoli are very strongly town, that TIP and TPR are mostly null, and that Bulbazak and ChaosOmega are likely scum. You, I am waffling on. Assuming you are town, and you think I am maybe town, why wouldn't you want to co-ordinate reads? We are not far off. In fact, our reads are very close together.

In post 510, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

I don't see why it is not possible to work with me

. We're in agreement that ETL and Pitoli are very strongly town, that TIP and TPR are mostly null, and that Bulbazak and ChaosOmega are likely scum. You, I am waffling on. Assuming you are town, and you think I am maybe town, why wouldn't you want to co-ordinate reads? We are not far off. In fact, our reads are very close together.

Because you've been a distraction.

In what way?

But you're right. There is a fair bit of commonality in our reads.

And at what point in the game?

In post 512, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:In what way?

This. This is doing NOTHING to further my goals of sorting players. And I don't think it's furthering your goal of sorting me, if that's what your goal is. I get the impression that what you want to see more of from me is me doing my thing, townhunting and scumhunting. This isn't it.

I guess I'll stop posting for a couple of days just to stay away from the game and see what happens from there.

Sangres, can you give me an update on your reads so I can have them in mind while I'm catching up?

479

They were posted yesterday. I'll have some more questions up tonight.

In post 500, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:You think I am asking Bulbazak what his read on me is because I care how I am perceived by him. That is not the case.

Seemed like it to me. In fact, you were practically obsessed.

In post 500, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote: Bulbazak claims that he tried to develop a read on me by discussing it with Sangres. It implies that he made a pro-active effort. The point is he didn't.

Didn't say that. Nice try.

sangres: Null-town. He's playing pretty passively and not being as aggressive as I'd thought they'd be. Reads are pretty alright, nothing to complain about.
pitoli: I've been troubled over what pitoli's alignment is. I've decided that he's dead null for now. The things he posts can come from either alignment.
TheIrishPope: Well, silky and Town as always!
Bulbazak: This is so obvTown. There is no way he's scum. I refuse to believe it. I'm confused as to why sangres votes him. Someone isn't scum for making a weak case. Will have to read on the game he talked about.
EspeciallyTheLies: Town as well because stereotypical Town play. Also, Bowser's game.
ChaosOmega: This is null-scum because he's been doing shit now. He won't compromise, he won't act logically, and it's like textbook scum (but I refuse to believe it's too easy.)
The Purple Rose: Ah, the AtE machine. Yeah, this is still scum.
Lastsurvivor: Huh, not sure!
F-16_Fighting_Falcon: Some things are Town, some things are scum, I want people to help me on this. I have no idea.

In post 497, Bulbazak wrote:I've nailed your scummy little feet to the floor, haven't I?

I think this is a good moment to get out of the playstyle of winning a debate and start finding the real scum. You aren't being productive here bulba, and this quote shows it. Your intentions are off.

Also, I could've sworn I voted pitoli, but apparently I forgot?



I really believe this should be the lynch today. Please make it happen!

oh lord not this again

more later when my mind isn't fuzzy