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In post 499, Yates wrote:You got that on first pass?

Well, not really, but all I can say is...who the hell knows because the rule is really goofy right now about what I can or cannot admit to being aware of.

In post 499, Yates wrote:

In post 451, Thor665 wrote:...feels like we ought to get the explanation of this one.

Meh. Juice isn't worth the squeeze with a different player in. Bottom line, Smudger was misrepping like crazy [hence my hint that he did it again]. 409 looks like a

possible

soft defense of Zak. Not sure the motivation behind that.
So the hidden scumtell was that he misrepped?

In post 499, Yates wrote:The other thing that's weird is the way the two of you interact. And we both know you aren't averse to bussing early. So that has me a little concerned about Thor-scum at this point. Not concerned enough that I can build a case but concerned enough that I would expect you to see some night action of SOME kind tonight...

Yup, the good ol' classic 'How to read Thor like the pros' effect is in full swing.
Good to know.

In post 499, Yates wrote:You got that on first pass?

Well, not really, but all I can say is...who the hell knows because the rule is really goofy right now about what I can or cannot admit to being aware of.

In post 499, Yates wrote:

In post 451, Thor665 wrote:...feels like we ought to get the explanation of this one.

Meh. Juice isn't worth the squeeze with a different player in. Bottom line, Smudger was misrepping like crazy [hence my hint that he did it again]. 409 looks like a

possible

soft defense of Zak. Not sure the motivation behind that.

So the hidden scumtell was that he misrepped?

In post 499, Yates wrote:The other thing that's weird is the way the two of you interact. And we both know you aren't averse to bussing early. So that has me a little concerned about Thor-scum at this point. Not concerned enough that I can build a case but concerned enough that I would expect you to see some night action of SOME kind tonight...

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Yup, the good ol' classic 'How to read Thor like the pros' effect is in full swing.
Good to know.

In post 491, Antihero wrote:That's way too many people

I feel you. At this point, XScorp is pretty much the only person I *WONT* be voting for at any point this game.

I'm giving Antihero some time to settle in to the Smudger slot and clean that up. I wasn't super convinced of Smudger-scum, but I didn't like his ego or the weirdness he brought to the game.

I'm reconsidering my vote on Zak/Pere, but purely for selfish reasons. At this point, Pere has seen enough scum-Yates to know what that looks like. So if he's Town, I think he'll be a good ally to have. 80% of my vote on the slot was to figure out Smudge so with him out? Meh. Need a better target.

I guess I could go back to voting smarge. But I find something ethically wrong with voting for someone in the hospital. And I sincerely hope that isn't something someone would BS about. Also, just because she wasn't on the Zek wagon doesn't mean she's wrong about the CXI wagon.

I'm actually Town-reading Bro. I find no fault with either of his votes but have nothing stronger than that feeding my opinion outside of "gut."

CXI is a mess. Wouldn't be a tragedy to lose this slot.

Bulb is an interesting one. He avoided the Zek wagon like crazy while trying to look like he was calling him out ["why aren't you answering my questions?!"]. I *do* want to vote off the wagon...

Yiley is another one that reads weird but needs to post. I'm thinking about letting him live today but really only for the hammer vote. I'm not saying he's Town because of the hammer but if scum, he's at least scared and easily manipulated into selling out his team.

I'm wary of Thor. Nothing more to say about that at this point. But, again, he's not in my day 2 lynch pool.

I don't know. I guess I'm trying to talk myself into CXI or Bulb. Currently leaning CXI for the simple fact CXI would probably be an easier wagon and I feel like Bulba will be more likely to show his true colors if given an opportunity. Plus, a Town Bulba would do more to help than a Town CXI if one ends up a mislynch.

That's where I'm at, peeps. And I'll be V/LA until Tuesday - hopefully knee deep in fresh powder.

Ah screw it...

VOTE: CXI

In post 501, Thor665 wrote:So the hidden scumtell was that he misrepped?

Multiple misreps. Plus some weird "confusion" posts. Plus the timing of both. Plus the odd setup posts to start today. Plus the soft defending of Zak.

I just wanted to know if anyone else was seeing this stuff or if it was confirmation bias.

EBWOP: The above is also why I was unwilling to say anything at that point. It wasn't meant to be a mystery. I just needed confirmation without spoon feeding my observations which could have jaded someone elses' reads.

In post 501, Thor665 wrote:Yup, the good ol' classic 'How to read Thor like the pros' effect is in full swing.
Good to know.

I would think it *would be* good to know. Can't have you resting on your beard thinking you are obv Town because you happened to sheep your way on to the Zek wagon. Because you aren't.

Oh. And as far as my "innocent child" window? I didn't need mod confirmation on . Mod confirmed Porkens. I'm not saying it makes me obv Town BUT it's a bunch of steps ahead of these other creepers. Present company included.

In post 497, Bulbazak wrote:Antihero, why did you avoid my question?

What are you talking about and why are you trying to frame it in a scummy way?

Desire to lynch bulba is growing...

In post 487, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 486, Antihero wrote:aaaaand marge's first post is awful. yikes. "zkrom isn't scum because he's too scummy to be scum, but jello guy

is

scum by THE EXACT SAME LOGIC"? no

I don't see her saying that. Point it out.

Oh, this one?

Well, now that I look at it, that's how I was (mis)reading this sentence: "Actually, if thor/porkens/bulbazak are town,then zek probably is too because ."

Loaded question puts you at the top of my kill list, though, bulba. Congrats.

VOTE: Bulbazak

In post 505, Yates wrote:Can't have you resting on your beard thinking you are obv Town because you happened to sheep your way on to the Zek wagon. Because you aren't.

You do realize that not only did I not sheep onto the wagon, but that I had the most well presented and reasoned vote on him. That was then combined with me not actually pushing the wagon that hard.
Meaning it was one of the most complicated and beautiful busses in existence if it was a bus.
...and you think I'd bother doing that with Zekrom.

Hey thor.

Will you vote bulba?

I have expressed issue with his slot paired with issues about the wifom involved in the slot.
Also, your case outside of my own issues with the slot is not a sheep worthy case in my opinion.

Would you vote Pere?

Flipping out on Porkens early + attacks on jello man + already prepping the attack on me as a secondary target = scummy scum scumbag that needs death

Now watch him flip out on me and "go 1v1". Just like with Porkens... TSO...

Nah, not voting peregrine when I have scum in my sights

In post 508, Thor665 wrote:You do realize that not only did I not sheep onto the wagon, but that I had the most well presented and reasoned vote on him. That was then combined with me not actually pushing the wagon that hard.

I intentionally downplayed your role in that lynch because it didn't fit within the scope of the narrative I was weaving. But you get my point, yes?

In post 502, Yates wrote: Bulb is an interesting one. He avoided the Zek wagon like crazy while trying to look like he was calling him out ["why aren't you answering my questions?!"]. I *do* want to vote off the wagon...

I was actually willing to hammer Zek, but I felt that a hammer at 2 weeks until deadline was premature. I wanted to gather more information, specifically in relation to that wagon, so that by d2 we'd have more than enough to find scum. It's why I'm so suspicious of Bro. He pushed for Zek to be hammered immediately so that the day would end, thus cutting off what information we could gather. If that would have happened, we would not have gotten TSO's posts, nor would we have gotten that response of Cxin's where he calls Zek a townread and then backpedals. I still feel we could have gotten more and could have entered the day with an advantage, but Yiley cut the day short.

In post 507, Antihero wrote:

In post 487, Bulbazak wrote:

In post 486, Antihero wrote:aaaaand marge's first post is awful. yikes. "zkrom isn't scum because he's too scummy to be scum, but jello guy

is

scum by THE EXACT SAME LOGIC"? no

I don't see her saying that. Point it out.

Oh, this one?

Well, now that I look at it, that's how I was (mis)reading this sentence: "Actually, if thor/porkens/bulbazak are town,then zek probably is too because

scum want mislynches, and those don't happen if scum draw attention to themselves by blatantly not commenting

."

Loaded question puts you at the top of my kill list, though, bulba. Congrats.

VOTE: Bulbazak

This is a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? I didn't see your point, so I asked you to show me what you were seeing. Did you want me to phrase it a different way? Perhaps "How is she saying that?" or "Where do you see her saying that?"? Are either of those more to the point than "I don't see her saying that. Point it out."?

In post 511, Antihero wrote:Flipping out on Porkens early

I thought what he did was scummy, so I called him out. Are you now using post hoc to call me scum?

In post 511, Antihero wrote: attacks on jello man

Why is Cxin town?

In post 511, Antihero wrote: already prepping the attack on me as a secondary target

Where did I do that? Until recently, I actually had you as a townread. Or did you miss this:

In post 350, Bulbazak wrote:

Bulbazak's Hierarchy of Reads (D2)

Town

Thor665
XScorpion
Smudger

Null/Town

Smargaret
Yates

Null

Yiley
Zakk

Null/Scum

BROseidon

Scum

TSO
Cxinlee

I know. Reads lists are so hard to catch on a "half-a-d skim".

BROseidon, have you caught up with the game yet? You have a shockingly low amount of contribution at the moment and it is bothering me.

In post 513, Bulbazak wrote:This is a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? I didn't see your point, so I asked you to show me what you were seeing. Did you want me to phrase it a different way? Perhaps "How is she saying that?" or "Where do you see her saying that?"? Are either of those more to the point than "I don't see her saying that. Point it out."?

That's not what I'm talking about and you know it.

Antihero, why did you avoid my question?

Instead of reposting your question, you're quick to paint it like I'm "avoiding" something when I simply missed your post. benmage tell

Why is Cxin town?

Zekrom just got lynched for being a useless waste of a slot. The lack of an attitude adjustment on jello man's part indicates a non-survivalist (and therefore, non-scum) mindset.

In post 515, Antihero wrote: Instead of reposting your question, you're quick to paint it like I'm "avoiding" something when I simply missed your post.

I gave you time to make sure that you'd answer before I prodded you. It had been 2 hours, you had been finished with your catchup for at least an hour, and of course, you were pushing that I was scum, without going into why, which is strange, because a lot has happened in this thread. I mean, I think you'd notice if one of your scumreads had asked you a question, especially when it's on the same freaking page as the majority of your posts! So yes, I assumed you were pushing me as scum while ignoring me, and that ticked me off.

In post 515, Antihero wrote:

Why is Cxin town?

Zekrom just got lynched for being a useless waste of a slot. The lack of an attitude adjustment on jello man's part indicates a non-survivalist (and therefore, non-scum) mindset.

But wouldn't Cxin changing gears be a giveaway? Why would he want to change gears, especially if he could excuse it as "Do you think I'd do this as scum?"? What do you think of his calling Zek town and then backpedaling on the read when asked about it?

Antihero what do you think of my '1 scum on 1 scum off' theory for the zek wagon?

In post 516, Bulbazak wrote:I gave you time to make sure that you'd answer before I prodded you. It had been 2 hours, you had been finished with your catchup for at least an hour, and of course, you were pushing that I was scum, without going into why, which is strange, because a lot has happened in this thread. I mean, I think you'd notice if one of your scumreads had asked you a question, especially when it's on the same freaking page as the majority of your posts! So yes, I assumed you were pushing me as scum while ignoring me, and that ticked me off.

If you were annoyed that I called you scum, you could have said that and then asked why and not been passive-aggressive about it.

Bulb wrote:But wouldn't Cxin changing gears be a giveaway? Why would he want to change gears, especially if he could excuse it as "Do you think I'd do this as scum?"? What do you think of his calling Zek town and then backpedaling on the read when asked about it?

Jello man didn't actually pull that thread himself, so I'm inclined to think no.
What do you mean by your second question? That whole "gut town but for no reason" thing?

In post 517, XScorpion wrote:Antihero what do you think of my '1 scum on 1 scum off' theory for the zek wagon?

Bleh

not a fan of arbitrary "X number of scum on/off wagon just because" rules

In post 514, XScorpion wrote:BROseidon, have you caught up with the game yet? You have a shockingly low amount of contribution at the moment and it is bothering me.

Not yet. Laziness, mostly.

In post 518, Antihero wrote: If you were annoyed that I called you scum, you could have said that and then asked why and not been passive-aggressive about it.

I was annoyed that you were ignoring me. I was more interested in your mindset in regards to the Smargaret post.

In post 515, Antihero wrote: What do you mean by your second question?

Why would Cxin feel the need to change his play as scum, when he could just say "Why would I do this as scum?"?

In post 515, Antihero wrote: That whole "gut town but for no reason" thing?

I don't understand. What are you asking?

In post 520, BROseidon wrote:

In post 514, XScorpion wrote:BROseidon, have you caught up with the game yet? You have a shockingly low amount of contribution at the moment and it is bothering me.

Not yet. Laziness, mostly.

Yeah if you could go ahead and give me your reads that would be great.

Full reads list? Fiiiiiiiiiine.

Never-Lynch Town:

Scorp
Thor

Probably town:

Yates
p5

No read because wtf guys:

TSO
Smarg
Yiley
cxin

Scummy:

Bulba
Anti (residual from Smudger, and I also bias towards scum reading him, so this read is meh)

I'm just sheeping you/Thor at this point.

I would like reasoning for your reads.