Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Grib]

Actually, here: ask Bellaphant three questions that will help you get a better read on her. Pretty please.

[Grib]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

My lynch pool at the moment is [Bellaphant/Bookitty/Hydrangea/ZZZX].

I have a strong gut feeling that Metal Sonic is town, despite his atrocities. mollie made a good point about how he probably faked the whole list mods thing, but I think that's just kind of a shitty thing to do rather than scummy.

[Hydrangea]

Hydrangea, hi. I'm bad at reading new-ish people. Because of that, among other things, I think you might be scum. You've been kinda defensive (or maybe 'passive' is a better word) from the get-go. Do me a favor and show some town initiative (487 is a good start but that's such an easy question) or show me you're trying to figure out the game. Maybe ask your nullreads questions and try to figure out their alignments?

yeah sorry I have noticed my own passivity. Trying to be active at the moment and engage. Finding it a bit difficult to find a good balance in reconciling the amount of reads people are getting from knowing each other from previous games. As you probs know, no one really knows each other in newbie games... or at least not to this extent. It is difficult for me to read people when so much info is coming from outside of this game sphere.

hense why i'm trying to prompt bookitty to give a reads list because that is something I can interact with.

pedit: is your question about bellaphant directed at me?

[Frogging Mollie]

Metal Sonic, I actively dislike your presence in this game. It's a weird mixture of AtE, showboating, theater for the sake of theater and I haven't had chance to meta you but you look scummy as hell. The only thing holding me back is the question, "Why would scum create such drama around themselves?"

cos dummies let him get away with it that is why.

he was getting away with it in nightless "too scummy to be scum" until ooba and I showed up. he knows he is getting lynched cos I WILL have my way in this

if not then I am not going to sign up for anymore games for a bit and start an md thread discussion on how awful town loses games and how this game is a shining example when scum is not lynched on d1 when it is like a present with a bow and everything hand delivered.

I have 2 scum cld you plz help me out with the third? I feel like it might be andy/new person slot cos that readslist is terrible when they have indicated that they have not kept up with the game by asking for a summary.

be back in a minute

[Grib]

Like, looking through his ISO, I see that he:

- started out shamelessly sheeping ika (who is town); what is the scum motivation in openly sheeping someone from your first post?
- said something I find to be pretty towny in 23 ("Hopefully if you're town we can solve this game in double time.")
- has this attitude where he thinks he's being obvious town (or that mollie should see he's town), even though most of his posts are pretty bad
- responded to mollie's pressure by OMGUS'ing, and being proud of it
- rejects Plum's request to clarify something he said earlier; at this point, he's been pretty contrary and uncooperative, but I'm not seeing the scum motivation behind his actions. I can see the not-really-taking-this-seriously-whee town mentality, though
- honestly, I hate hate hate the Yukari push, because it is literally based on no evidence at all

I'll admit I've mostly been ignoring Sonic after he started 1v1'ing Yukari because it's all nonsense (I also kind of hate how Yukari eventually pulls a 'oh you fool this was all a gambit ha ha ha' out of their butt)

I'm not going to go over the rest of his posts, but. Despite the amount of bad posts, I really think he's town.

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

[Ankamius]

Vote Count 1.12

Yukari (3)

- Metal Sonic, ZZZX, Hydrangra

ZZZX (3)

- Bellaphant, White Night Imagination, Yukari

Metal Sonic (3)

- singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika

Bookitty (2)

- Grib, elusive

White Night Imagination (1)

- Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-06-04 11:00:00) from now, or June 4th, 11:00 AM CST (GMT-6).

Plum is V/LA until May 25

Grib is V/LA until May 25

singersigner is V/LA until May 26th

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[Hydrangea]

Actually, here: ask Bellaphant three questions that will help you get a better read on her. Pretty please.

i'm going to presume this question was for me. If it wasn't for me my bad... probably a good idea for me to get in the habit of doing something along these lines anyway

@Bellaphant

1. Why do you find yukari townish? Is it because you consider MS to be ovs-scum? If it is that is there any other reason that you find them null-towny, or if it isn't that what are your reasons?
2. If you consider MS ovs-scum why aren't you voting him?
3. Your vote is still on ZZZX via Andrius who previously inhabited your slot... do you intend to move it to MS or keep it on ZZZX? If your keeping it on Z can you explain why you find them more scummy than MS?

[Grib]

That request was meant for you.

Why are you voting Yukari over Sonic? Why did you ask Yukari to help you clarify your read on Plum if you think Yukari is scum?

[Frogging Mollie]

That's unfortunate. I hope I can play with you in another game where I am not subject to such grating circumstances. I've already gone through yukari' meta as you asked, and as you predicted they are not playing like their previous games.

hey metal how about you make some vague attempt at showing the post where I was sooooooooooo antagonistic towards you that you felt you had to go over ank's modship and throw shade on him by going over his head and appealing to the list mods who seemed to have responded to you in 10 minutes according to you w/o ever contacting ank.

[ika]

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

ill garcia it and link you myself

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61168

mollie whos you other scum read again? cus im gonna be on agrement on MS (and MS dont even fucking apease to me i dont want to hear you right now)

whats yours thoughts on yukari?

[Grib]

I asked for posts, not the game thread.

[White Night Imagination]

@elusive:

re: singer, I don't think singer only ruling out 2 ppl is scummy. as long as she does stuff to narrow it down by the end of the day, I don't have a problem with it. do you think the rest of her play outside of this is passive? I was town reading her bc, while I don't agree with all of her lines of questioning/pushes, I thought most of it made sense.

@fro9:

re: your posts, nothing in particular, sans 303 - I just don't think you've done anything town. I didn't like some parts of 406 either, but I'm not sure if it's actually relevant or if it's just playstyle.

@MOLLIE: READS THAT AREN'T MS/ME. GO.

@ZZZX:

what the fuck was the point of specifically saying MS vs. Yukari was "not TvT" if Yukari flipping town wouldn't affect your read? if your reads were based on Yukari/MS's individual play, what was the point in even bringing it up? town do not form reads in this way. you are wanting to take advantage of the MS vs. Yukari fight by vaguely stating one of them has to be scum and fitting your reads to the conclusion - rather than approaching this in a town manner (namely actually committing to a firm stance on the individual players).

@MS:

why is ZZZX town?

[Frogging Mollie]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

My lynch pool at the moment is [Bellaphant/Bookitty/Hydrangea/ZZZX].

I have a strong gut feeling that Metal Sonic is town, despite his atrocities. mollie made a good point about how he probably faked the whole list mods thing, but I think that's just kind of a shitty thing to do rather than scummy.

it IS a scummy thing to do and has BEEN DONE BY SCUM BEFORE and you are

rewarding

him by letting him get away with it which is shittier than what metal is trying to do in the first place.

[Metal Sonic]

i am going to eat 10 chill pills and not post in this game until I get prodded


VOTE: bookitty

This is the only wagon in the game where I am 100% sure that there are no scum on the current wagon. Yukari wagon is good too but my supporters are getting chainsawed.

Sorry elusive, I didn't leave a good first impression for you. This game was drastically contrary to how I planned to play.

[ika]

I asked for posts, not the game thread.

fucking hell grib.....

mollie can do that for me then. im not that much in effort but i know she will do it.

grib, why is bella and ZX in POE?

whats your town case on yukari btw?

WNI: why is ZX scum (im presuming you have him on scum lean at least)

[White Night Imagination]

I think MS is likely town here. mollie's push on him is, put bluntly, fake as fuck. what she is doing is writing a bunch of words about irrelevant shit and hoping no one notices she's not actually backing up *why*, specifically, she thinks MS's play is scummy - the only exception to this is the thing about MS replacing out, but given how fucking awful that looks that by itself is easy enough to fake. she also has, quite literally, no reads outside of MS-scum and me-scum for defending him. she's just blindly tunneling him and hoping no one realizes she's not *actually* game solving here. fro9's 406 comes off more like he's just twisting Yukari's posts to call them scum (the part about them being concerned with a quickhammer in the newbie game and this somehow making them scum here for... ???... comes to mind).

ZZZX is also likely scum.

I don't get where scum reads on Plum are coming from - I remember liking 108. someone walk me through it.

I buy Yukari saying they wanted to play differently in this game from the last game. while I think it's a shit strategy, them apparently wanting to "play scummy on purpose" would explain why they went full-force pushing MS out the gate.

I'm currently waiting to see if Brian gets here anytime soon so we can consolidate thoughts before I really push anything. if he doesn't, I'll go ahead and elaborate more in-depth on these reads.

[ika]

-.-

[Hydrangea]

That request was meant for you.

Why are you voting Yukari over Sonic? Why did you ask Yukari to help you clarify your read on Plum if you think Yukari is scum?

because even though I consider them scummy nothing is 100% and there is increasing questions around MS being possible scum... I'm wanting to see yukari's though process on other players to help me get a better view of them. It is putting me off slightly that if MS is scum then I don't think they would be pushing yukari like this which is giving me some doubts.

[ika]

im done here

bye

[White Night Imagination]

also, while I think her being inactive is a really shit reason for scum reading Boo here, I think Boo might be scum more or less bc I haven't liked what she did while she *was* here (Plum's point about her pushing MS/elusive comes to mind). I'll support the wagon there if need be.

[Frogging Mollie]

Like, looking through his ISO, I see that he:

- started out shamelessly sheeping ika (who is town); what is the scum motivation in openly sheeping someone from your first post?
- said something I find to be pretty towny in 23 ("Hopefully if you're town we can solve this game in double time.")
- has this attitude where he thinks he's being obvious town (or that mollie should see he's town), even though most of his posts are pretty bad
- responded to mollie's pressure by OMGUS'ing, and being proud of it
- rejects Plum's request to clarify something he said earlier; at this point, he's been pretty contrary and uncooperative, but I'm not seeing the scum motivation behind his actions. I can see the not-really-taking-this-seriously-whee town mentality, though
- honestly, I hate hate hate the Yukari push, because it is literally based on no evidence at all

I'll admit I've mostly been ignoring Sonic after he started 1v1'ing Yukari because it's all nonsense (I also kind of hate how Yukari eventually pulls a 'oh you fool this was all a gambit ha ha ha' out of their butt)

I'm not going to go over the rest of his posts, but. Despite the amount of bad posts, I really think he's town.

eta: xposts

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

metal has over 1000 posts in nightless no way am I wading through that cos it is really fucking obvs that he is scum here and I don't get why you and elusive are being so chickenshit about it.

grib my language is strong and I know it and it makes me unpopular in games sometimes if I am not put in the role of a mediator. I don't think I am better than you and I don't think I am better than elusive I see you both as equals it is why I am so blunt with you 2 if I thought you were less than then I wld probs treat you a lot more differently.

scum behave exactly the way metal is acting when they are going down hoping that dumb town will derp themselves into letting them live. they do it cos it

works

.

[White Night Imagination]

WNI: why is ZX scum (im presuming you have him on scum lean at least)

more or less bc most of his arguments don't make sense and generally feel more like easy throwaway excuses - and as I explained I fucking hate the way he's going about the MS vs. Yukari debate

as one example I didn't mention, him calling me scum for supposedly using a bunch of "what ifs" when all that means is that I don't feel strongly about a read and that I'd rather consider possibilities either way instead of committing to a firm stance when I don't have one

I can elaborate in-depth but I think I've covered most of them already.

[Yukari]

<3 toonami :3

[ika]

mollie, can you talk to me plz?

pediti: meh, i find it null form him but whateveer your not listening to someone who WENT THOUGH A GOD DAMN NIGHTLESS GAME WHERE HE WAS SCUM

like i know you can be good pie but right now your too far in confermation bias due to it.

[Frogging Mollie]

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

ill garcia it and link you myself

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61168

mollie whos you other scum read again? cus im gonna be on agrement on MS (and MS dont even fucking apease to me i dont want to hear you right now)

whats yours thoughts on yukari?

I have metal/wni/andy slot for right now. I think there is a bunch of derp going on which scum will try to take advantage of and might succeed amazingly at it depending on if we lynch metal or not.

andy slot is a weaker scumread but it is there for now.