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Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:50 am
by Quest
Skygazer!Scum



is actually something I agreed with initially since I also believed it was off. But, the fact that Sky completely dropped this without Blake ever responding to it doesn't sit right with me.

/ is an odd read. I didn't do any solving up to this point, yet Sky was comfortable enough to heal me. Yet she was against healing Implosion due to his lack of solving. I didn't amaze anyone with my opening posting, and I can't say I exactly understand why I was healed here. The natural play would've been to heal neither me or Implosion.

/ is super far-fetched. I've talked about this briefly in . One thing I should mention here is that I was scum 2 of those 3 games, and those games shouldn't be meaningful from Sky's POV considering just how short those games were.

Her statement in is true, I did correctly town read her when she was town, and actively fought against her lynch in . This is because I find Sky to be an easy read for me, but most of it is based on her tone and wording. I'm not getting this vibe this game, and it's not based only off of that marathon game. I've previous experience with Sky, and I don't feel like she's being her usual town-self here.

A lot of her reads are weird, for example "", and "". These are especially lazy reads considering how much actual content there is in the game. It's an incredibly passive approach to the game, and it's not sitting well at all with me. She isn't being proactive in any way, and instead, she's trying to make connections where connections don't need to be made.

is clear proof that she's playing passively here. She's willing to sheep my coalition which wouldn't include her in it. There are little reasons for her to do this as either alignment, but it's the way she's approaching it that bothers me. There's no clear evidence that I'm Sky's strongest town read in her ISO which makes it weird that she'd be willing to sheep my coalition. Yes, she definitely has a town read on me, but if you're going to sheep someone's coalition which doesn't include you, then that person should be your strongest townread, and I'm not seeing any evidence of this.

I get the impression that she's trying to blend in, despite her amount of posts. There's very little actual content in any of her posts, and she's sort of just going with the flow. A major part of my read on her is tonal, and like I've said a million times before, I'm not great at explaining those so I won't bother. But, I'm confident that this isn't Sky's town game here.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:51 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
Sky is almost a townlock on rereading. No way she ever flips scum here.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:55 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
@Quest, you don’t know how to read Sky.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 6:55 am
by Quest
Tell me that after she flips scum.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:04 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
In post 503, Quest wrote:Tell me that after she flips scum.
HURT: Sky

Maybe you’re right, most of her posts are about others’ reads on her slot. :/

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:04 am
by Quest
In post 500, Quest wrote:"
Ank would be playing scummier as town
"
Correction on this: "
Ank would be playing townier as scum
", not that it matters in any way.

That said, if everyone's going to continue town reading Sky based on flimsy reasoning, it's very likely that I won't effort much going further since there's no point. The coalition will straight up fail due to near everyone in my coalition town reading her, and I'm confident that my slot dies night 1.

Sky's scum here. Like I said above, a major part of my read on her is based on previous experience, her tone, and wording. All of these things are subjective to some degree, and all things that I won't explain for obvious reasons.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:07 am
by Blake Belladonna
What is scum!sky looking to do here exactly?

That's my main problem with the scumreads on her.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:08 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
You’re currently my most confident townread, so I’ll probably sheep who’s ever in your coalition.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:09 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
In post 507, Pyrrha Nikos wrote:You’re currently my most confident townread, so I’ll probably sheep who’s ever in your coalition.
That was meant for Quest btw.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:13 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
In post 506, Blake Belladonna wrote:What is scum!sky looking to do here exactly?

That's my main problem with the scumreads on her.
I’m not sr her but I could also see these posts coming from scum!her. I’m trusting Quest most this game. Ironic considering how our interactions started but I disagree with Implosion. Her ISO never comes from scum.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:17 am
by Quest
In post 506, Blake Belladonna wrote:What is scum!sky looking to do here exactly?

That's my main problem with the scumreads on her.
If I had to guess, she's trying to blend into the crowd and go with the flow.

1a) There's no clear evidence that I'm her strongest town read here, yet she's willing to completely sheep my coalition.
1b) My coalition would include you, and it would not include her.
2a) There's no clear evidence that she town reads you, and she even implied in that that read is only there because of me.
2b) Because of this, it feels super unnatural for her to be willing to sheep my coalition.

These posts make it very obvious that she doesn't town read you: , , and . The only sign of her town reading you is which she retracted quickly with . There's nothing giving me the vibe that she town reads you here which makes it illogical that she'd want to sheep my coalition.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:32 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
@Blake, how much of your Weiss sr is based on him tr my slot?

And I still don’t understand why you sr my entrance?

However, reading your ISO, makes me realize I was wrong about it having anything to do with RC.

You do need to take into account now and going forward that I will always be suspicious of you pushing me for reasons that you still have yet to back up. Sorry but TS is a game changer for me and it would still really help a lot if you’d explain that to me.

Slight tl on you for now.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:36 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
In post 345, RadiantCowbells wrote:There's actually a really simple deductive logic you can use this game to know that Ankamius is scum.

I am good enough as scum to fool Ankamius if Ankamius is town -> Ankamius will incorrectly townread me.
I am also clear enough town as town that Ankamius doesn't misread me outside of the context of paranoia of my slot.

Ankamius pretending that they don't know my identity means that they aren't scumreading me because of that... so there's really no excuse for them scumreading me.
Wait, RC=Tim? :o

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 7:39 am
by Pyrrha Nikos
In post 338, Tim Goodman wrote:You can call it quits on trying to pretend that you don't know who I am. I suck at anonymous alting, I am aware of that.
Wow. I really had no idea. :lol:

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:00 am
by Skygazer
quest should out their main

there are a lot of things in that case that reallyyyy bug me dependant on who they are/how well they know me

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:00 am
by Quest

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:04 am
by Skygazer
okay; ur read is probably genuine, just wrong

i can see how you can see a lot of what i do as scummy after only one game/a couple of marathons but like a lot of what ur saying is NAI for me at best. will go into more detail later

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:07 am
by Skygazer
actually idk i cant remember how different i was in boon's game so im gonna dig into that

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:08 am
by Quest
There's more to it than the one game/marathon games, I read through a lot of games before and after I joined the site to get an understanding of the current site's meta, and I think my read is accurate here based on what I've seen.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:09 am
by Skygazer
hmmm

but its still mostly tonal than meta for me?

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:11 am
by Quest
With that said, I don't value meta all that high when analyzing someone's play since everyone is emotional and mood changes on a game-to-game basis.
In post 519, Skygazer wrote:hmmm

but its still mostly tonal than meta for me?
Tonal/wording.

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:14 am
by Skygazer
would you say its like robotic or something? or is it like gut-based cant pin down tone/wording things?

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:16 am
by Quest
I'm getting the impression that you're trying really hard to go with the flow with your tone; it's almost as if you're trying to appeal to a crowd with your posts.

If it helps, gave me that same exact impression again. "
I can see why you think X, but Y
".

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:19 am
by Skygazer
i mean it's important for me to sort reads on me as genuine/not genuine esp in this game

w the amount of people voting for me to be on the coalition im concerned that i may be a designated mislynch if im on the coalition and it fails

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 9:27 am
by Quest
I'm aware.

I won't go too much deeper into this, but there's a weird undertone to most of your posts. You agree with things, but also disagree with them at the same time, and it doesn't feel natural. This is similar to a scum thought process since it leaves all of your options open. Narrowing down your options is the worst thing you can do as either alignment, but it's almost like you're purposefully trying to leave all of your options open with your posts.

A good example of this is . You're trusting my read on Blake because you town read me, which is fine; but the second part where you say "
if quest was scum then quest/blake wouldnt be a S/S interaction
" is a very good example of you leaving all of your options open. You're not committing to any reads, and that's a huge red flag.