Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[Garmr]

eh i just voted billy

So you think billy being mad at me was genuine or not?

[profii]

I also had a quick flick through of mohabs only scum game (at least that i can see)

Mohab posted loads and some good walls and stuff - polar opposite of this game, not to say opposite means must be town, but it says given mohab was an involved participant whilst scum I really really want to hear the logic behind the belief that Kraeg and Garmr are a scum team

I mean I think I know the answer but it's mental.

[profii]

eh i just voted billy

So you think billy being mad at me was genuine or not?

yeah my theory is he was on the verge of flipping town!Kraeg and you killed off the wagon.

I also think he thinks I'm a PR so I am not going to be nullified by you anymore given you are not a JK

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: mohab

Just for a minute while I work out my next post

[Garmr]

I can create a scenario where billy is scum in my head as he seems to shift his opinions slots if they majority town or scum read (like me). But there's some things left unanswered and my gut is telling me his town.

Mohab seems more scummy to me

VOTE: Mohab

[profii]

I can compromise on a mohab lynch subject to his answer on why he thinks you and kraeg are a scum team

until then the evidence sends me to Billy for now

[Billy Pilgrim]

Yeah let's keep it simple. Honestly, when push comes to shove. All this god damn talk about PR's doesn't change Kraeg's scumminess one bit. Let's just get this over with and lynch Kraeg already.
VOTE: Kraeg

What exactly is scummy about Kraeg?

[Mohab500]

Sigh. This is a waste of time. I really hope no one actually believes Garmr is town after saying he was just getting reactions or whatever. Stay clear, the scum team is Kraeg + Garmr.

VOTE: Mohab500

[Luca Blight]

What the fuck.

I was literally about to unvote in case anyone hammered without warning, but told myself not to be silly. And then this happens.

I get being frustrated but your Lynch was nowhere near sealed. You’ve just denied us valuable information. Really poor show.

This probably takes the biscuit as the most absurd self-hammer I’ve ever seen.

[Mohab500]

There is no frustration involved; even if I got out of it I'd be suspected for the rest of the game, and I barely had/will have anything valuable anyways. This was the best course of action.

[Luca Blight]

It was a selfish course of action. I was nowhere near done sorting my reads for today. You’ve denied us information on how others would have reacted to garmr’s fake-claim.

Who cares if you’re suspected for the rest of the game? That’s the very nature of this game.

[Garmr]

I'm eager to see what Mohab flips. Scum or town.

[Billy Pilgrim]

If Mohab flips town I don't know how much I'm going to be able to play this game. I was literally doing a post about Profii then this happens?

[Billy Pilgrim]

What the actual hell is going on in this game. Self-claimed town fake CC'd then self hammered. Christ I hate this. How am I supposed to read this game?

[Billy Pilgrim]

And now I think he's probably going to flip town, because otherwise why make that frustrated post as he self-hammers?

[Billy Pilgrim]

The though running through my mind is Garmr

He said with bold certainty that Luca was scum, I doubt it
He lied to try and get the lynch he wanted

So he is not playing a team game - is he doing it because he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room (hint garmr, answer seems to be no at this point)

Or is he trying to push a mislynch

So let's think on that

A Kraeg mislynch infers kraeg!town and garmr,!scum - doesn't necessarily mean garmr JK as scum lie

Kraeg does have a low content play style that is easy to call scummy so is a good push for scum but if he flips town we would instantly lynch garmr tomorrow so youd have to be confident that your pal is deep wolf and happy to fend off about 3 lynches

I dont think anyone fits that bill

So I dont think Garmr is scum actually so i retract my point that we lynch him tomorrow - I was just annoyed at this idiocy

So the other scenario is that Kraeg AND garmr are both town. I'll consider that later

I think I need to come back with fresh eyes as I'm totally unimpressed by Garmrs antics

As Billy pointed out you one can soft to attract a NK, which I've obviously attempted to save a JK but for absolutely no reason at all other than garmr thinks he knows it all

Mad right now

Seems kinda like a fake reason to be mad since your not a noob. People do worse shit on this site all the time get over it, it produced some decent reactions.

Honestly I don't think I'm the smartest guy in the room but I will gladly sell myself that way to push a gambit, if I actually thought I was the smartest guy I wouldn't of called it off due to stubbornness.

The pay off If kreag was scum I would of taken the bullet lynched scum and saved a potential power role. Also even now scum will find it hard to act appropriately in the chaos. A Chaos has caused many a scum to slip up because scum don't think like town, while it's easier for scum to adapt to a cookie cutter game, If a bombshell like this hits them they will find it harder and harder to mimic a natural town reaction.

You fail to understand me through and what I get out the game judging by your post. We are fundamentally different when it comes to mafia.

If people do worse shit I'd get mad at them too dont worry.

I think we have to consider Kraeg as town, which was what happened when the wagon died on him post claim anyway. The only reason it came back was you made a counter claim against a player that looks scummy to everyone.

We have the fact that Kraeg posted between my L-1 and unvote and no self hammer which helps me believe he is town.

You must realise if Kraeg flips town then you are the day 2 lynch. that means the game would probably be at 1v4 which is 3 lynches for your buddy. I dont see anyone in this game saying yeah I'll take that on - so I can't see you trading a PR for 1 of a 2 man team. That suggests you are town.


So then we have mohab who seemingly doesn't understand this counter claim situation. I didnt really want to meta dive but I feel like I need to go check if Mohab has previously displayed similar apparent incompetance in other scum games - if so I'd declare intent but it seems too good to be true at this point so I'm not jumping in with intent right now.



Your billy point is interesting though so if we need to take anything out of this epsiode it's that.
revisit 397 - Billy wants to be in the 'interested in voting kraeg' group but you have come in here and said Billy is trying to justify you and Kraeg as town - that's conflicting in itself.

Let's look at where billly went - initially he says it's a shame you outed yourself but draws up a lynch pool of you and Kraeg, who are both looking town now, so that's bad.
I think I have probably given Billy the oppurtunity to LAMIST by debating the scenarios of what to do with your JK power.
He wants me JK'd for being a leader - over - a suspicious slot - even though I advocated for a secret JK, I wouldnt do this.
448 again LAMIST
454 fishy
455 this is interesting - if billy flips scum we need to revisit this post, I know I'm town and I'm leaning garmr town, so if Kraeg flips town, Billy was happy to highlight at least 2 town players who were pushing town!kraeg, this looks like lining up mislynches to me.
457 this doesnt actually make sense, according to 457 mohab is in the scum pool so if kraeg flips town you potentially stop the nk but he really wants me in Jail - does billy believe I'm a PR? If we dont lynch billy and I die... you know what do...
458 "I make lylo" yeah well scum tend to... is how I am now reading that
464 fishy fishy



VOTE: billy

Go back and check. When I initially wanted you in jail, it was before you medium claimed a PR. And the one you claimed anyway sounded like IC. Don't know how putting you in jail at night would prevent that. Also, the post you said was fishy was the modifier post, and I dug through a bunch of approved setups to find out whether that was a possible setup, or whether that was an automatic CC, and I found at least one game that had been approved with a JK and a town roleblocker, but there was a modifier attached. It made sense to nerf the power of one role a little bit so given that there was a valid setup with both roles I wanted to see if someone would claim a modifier, because I still hadn't ruled out the possibility that both were town, and I wanted to sort through that possibility.

And yeah I LAMISTed it up during the PR spec. You talk about meta dives of the other players, did you meta dive me? Because i do that all the time. I use usand 1st person language when talking about town, I use them language and 3rd person when talking about scum. It certainly doesn't make me town, but it definitely isn't scum indicative.

455 I wanted everyone to have a clear position on that Lynch. Saying that people were comfortable with it, WHEN I WAS INCLUDING MYSELF IN THAT CATEGORY is lining up mis-lynches how exactly?

And at the time of those posts I had basically been in a mental position where Kraeg was gone. In fact when I saw Garmr recant the cc, it completely threw me off.

Gah, this was the game out of the three I'm playing at the moment that I was devoting the most mental energy to, and now I don't know what the hell is going on.

[Mohab500]

Luca; the information you get from Garmr's fake claim is that he's scum. That's all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mohab, don't be stupid. If you think Kraeg is scum you should vote Kraeg. Don't self-hammer as a townie, you're ruining our chance to complete the wincon.

[Mohab500]

Though you probably could've figured that out before the fake claim reveal, or before the claim at all even.

[Luca Blight]

Luca; the information you get from Garmr's fake claim is that he's scum. That's all.

Life isn’t so simple. Townies do stupid things all the time, as you’ve just demonstrated.

[Garmr]

Luca; the information you get from Garmr's fake claim is that he's scum. That's all.

No offence but if you are town then you really need to reevaluate how you read people like me. I think at this point it's obvious I'm town. Ask for spoilers in the dead thread and see that I was town then bang your head against the wall so the message gets locked in there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum is having a field day right now. Sigh.
I wasn't even going to vote you Mohab, i believed in you. :/

[Billy Pilgrim]

I can create a scenario where billy is scum in my head as he seems to shift his opinions slots if they majority town or scum read (like me). But there's some things left unanswered and my gut is telling me his town.

Mohab seems more scummy to me

VOTE: Mohab

This is definitely consistent with how I played vis-a-vis the Kraeg wagon. It also fits with the fact that I was the second to vote you after Luca when you were being townread by most everyone else, and it definitely fits with me being very early if not first on the Mohab wagon. /s


So are my opinions shifting to purposefully stick out?

[NorwegianboyEE]

garmr you know you're going to look sus as hell if Mohab flips town right? Pretty sure it's a bit early to celebrate and praise your own towniness don't ya think?

[Billy Pilgrim]

I think I'm being lined up for a mis-lynch and I think it's by Profii.