In post 499, Kanna wrote:I think you and I are very similar, Hectic
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Would you scumclaim if you were scum? Be honest.
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:39 pm
by Kanna
if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:41 pm
by Kanna
what do you mean by scumclaim? as scum, i constantly feel the need to give up actually and tried to concede many times in strawberry
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:43 pm
by Euphony
In post 503, Kanna wrote:what do you mean by scumclaim? as scum, i constantly feel the need to give up actually and tried to concede many times in strawberry
Nevermind lul
In post 502, Kanna wrote:if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god
Is it regarding the Doctar?
9043 Hectic
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:44 pm
by OkaPoka
im lost please tell me whats happening
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:46 pm
by DoctorPepper
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This is why I barely have anything to contribute to the game.
this is elaborate meta discussion that even i don't understand
and i'm the one that modded strawberry mafia lmao
Yeahhh, not a fan of meta.
I hate to be the guy that tells at clouds and dismisses everything I don't understand as fluff Butz if the shoe fits
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:52 pm
by Datisi
(the shoe don't fit my dude)
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:54 pm
by OkaPoka
ahh meta, something that used to be controversial and now is defacto
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:54 pm
by DoctorPepper
In post 512, OkaPoka wrote:ahh meta, something that used to be controversial and now is defacto
Are you serious? Please tell me you're joking
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:01 pm
by OkaPoka
sorry dr pepper but over time, ms.net has grown increasingly reliant on meta, AtE, and townhunting to PoE down games
and well, i guess it worked because today you have a different landscape than 5 years ago
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:03 pm
by DoctorPepper
I get meta and to an extent town hunting (though honestly both are flawed)
I don't get AtE
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:08 pm
by OkaPoka
well in contrast to the past where towns would probably blame themselves for mislynch, these days a lot of blame is attributed to the mislynched for being bad in not projecting town hard enough or misplaying etc.
mainly because the responsibility of town has now enveloped to include actually acting town, where as i remember in the past, the experienced players would tell me don't worry about looking town as town lol
and AtE well, works in making it harder for you to be lynch and a lot the best players on the site are very good at not being lynched
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:11 pm
by DoctorPepper
These are things easily exploitable by scum noh?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:16 pm
by OkaPoka
/shrug
im not a big fan of this style of play but towns are doing pretty well on site as a whole rn
No, but Euph was using same approach (and doing it before) as Kanna. In terms of bringing meta into the game as a method of throwing shade.
In post 406, Alduskkel wrote:Well, first it seemed like Kanna and I were about equally scummy to Icon (circa pages 13 and 14 or so). Then Icon said "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next" (page 15) which implies Kanna is scummier than me. This is also seen in the reads list later on that page where Kanna is "prob scum" but I'm just "could be scum." Icon then goes on to vote me and says 1 of me and Kanna is scum but probably not both. So why did Icon feel confident enough to say "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next"? That could potentially lead to two town lynches in a row from town-Icon's perspective. If Icon really thinks that one of Kanna and I are scum, then it should be trying to sort which one is the scum, which I don't think is happening. I also don't think it made sense to call Kanna scummier but then switch votes to me -- maybe scum Icon saw me as the easier target?
The fact you keep citing Ico as scum without forming a really good argument is curious. And no, the above is not a good argument. It's basically OMGUS reasoning. Which is a poor foundation to work with. If you think Icon is scum, form an argument on why utilising posts and the like.
In post 410, Alduskkel wrote:how does assuming ico is scum and then evaluating his actions from there make me scummy? maybe i'm just confbiasing or something
because a towny thought process is "hey a person did a thing" -> "is person town or scum because of it"
and you're going "person is scum" -> "this thing that they did means this"
i.e. not "ico voted me" -> "does that vote and its circumstances make him scum or town?"
but "ico is scum" -> "he is voting me because i'm an easier target"
it's not scumhunting
it's bad-faith painting
which yes i know you've said "ico finds kanna more scum than me" but that in of itself is ehhhh because town doesn't always have their vote on their biggest scumread so like
I agree.
In post 416, Alduskkel wrote:i didn't get as much as i wanted but
i'd say icon came out scummier looking
i'm town-leaning on oka for 364
drew gets town points for going the more difficult path of voting kanna
also not related to my vote but 293 doesn't look like it comes from scum:
In post 293, Drew-Sta wrote:Oka, in my opinion, is trying to ride that line between looking scummy and looking town as a means of making themselves appear a poor NK target.
IMHO.
like, this kinda looks like PR hunting at first but if it were
actual
PR hunting then drew would have just posted this in the scum PT instead of in the thread
your vote on me is reasonable from an outside perspective, but I don't see anything alignment-indicative about it yet
Why exactly is Icon scummy.
In post 430, Euphony wrote:Don't like 349 as a way to justify his L-1 - part of the reason the game was slow was because Aldu was pretty inactive. I agree with Datisi regarding the consistency thing on Ico. Spotting that Drew-Sta thing in 416 pretty towny though.
this is elaborate meta discussion that even i don't understand
and i'm the one that modded strawberry mafia lmao
Yeahhh, not a fan of meta.
I hate to be the guy that tells at clouds and dismisses everything I don't understand as fluff Butz if the shoe fits
Wait, so you're using meta in 449 but aren't a fan of meta in 510? Explain.
I feel like we haven't discussed kanna enough. He has also ignored my vote on him and the posts I've formulated on him. I believe this is avoiding an issue, given he's effectively gone through and answered other posts.
In post 313, DoctorPepper wrote:Your reasons for picking me as scum looks like scum faking activity and looking for a reason to lynch someone, so there
->I think ur scum because you look like scum faking activity on the first thing that looks or sounds illogical and will take any reason to lynch someone, especially seeing how you never got around to sorting the slot
Pepper, if I used this reasoning to explain why I think ur scum, what would you say to that?
Well it sounds like a discredit
How was that faking activity when it was the first thing on the game?
If anything, the original post was the fake activity because if it was a joke then it did nothing to move the game phase and if it was serious then it was a bad push.
And worse, taking an obv joke seriously is a reason to scum read someone now?
for the last time, the essence is NOT the fact you took a joke seriously
I never pushed you on 'omg you took that joke seriously you must be scum', or that was never my intent
In post 479, Kanna wrote:@Ico: do you still have the same opinion on everything? Why did you claim?
I'm re-evaluating because last vote count shows that the 3 votes on my wagon are also literally my 3 scumreads. There may be some bias involved.
My townreads are unchanged. Also still relatively confident of scum in you/aldus, just probably not the both of you. Unsure what to make about you using that meta is 'out of her scum range'. We'll see.
Why claim? Because it advances the game. I believe anyone who gets pushed to L-1 should claim.