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In post 499, Kay Mask wrote:

In post 497, Katrielle Mask wrote:Ok. Summarize it in good faith. Explain how caring quite a bit while contributing very little isn't action for the sake of looking active.

Because I would only do something "for the sake of looking active" if I had a vested interest in appearing active but not really being active.

I have not been hugely active; like I said, secret alt games are always going to be like that. It's a pain to log into the alt. What activity I have had has focused on trying to understand what people are doing and how they're thinking. I haven't been focused on finding scum, in part because the alt slips have distracted us from being able to scumhunt, but also because I put a high premium on townhunting rather than scumhunting. I am pretty confident in Kim and Kitsune being town.

As for Kirk, I thought his early-game engagement showed a lack of reservation and an openness that scum would be hesitant to use because it would make connecting their accounts easier (and it's just sometimes hard for scum to fake in general). That engagement waning does of course increase the likelihood that was an act that he's no longer able to maintain, but I still feel good enough about him to not want to touch him right now.

So if we're looking to get some wagons going, I would be fine voting in any of my PoE. I agree that the game ought to be moving a little faster than it is.

In post 499, Kay Mask wrote:Because I would only do something "for the sake of looking active" if I had a vested interest in appearing active but not really being active.

In post 500, Katrielle Mask wrote:Here are the difficulties with this approach:
1. You put a premium on townhunting over scumhunting, but not only is this a borderline fallacious mindset (If you call everyone town in this game, you will be right almost 80% of the time), but you also fail to have townreads that everyone else does not already have as town.

2. Your lynchpool happens to be exactly the number of players that need to be lynched before scum win.

3. Kirk and Kuzco are the only players you can talk about reasons for your reads on, and when you spoke of your Kuzco read you were seated so firmly on the fence that I'm almost certain it's top is imprinted on your rear.

Do you see how you saying this gets us absolutely nowhere, adds nothing, and the only person getting anything out of this is you look slightly better because you wrote quite a few words so it looks like you're more invested?

In post 501, Katrielle Mask wrote:Additionally, this isn't an argument that you're not scum because you aren't doing the scummy thing I accused you of doing, it's a statement that declares you aren't doing this scummy thing I'm accusing you of doing, because you'd only do it if you were scum.

In post 503, Kay Mask wrote:

In post 501, Katrielle Mask wrote:Additionally, this isn't an argument that you're not scum because you aren't doing the scummy thing I accused you of doing, it's a statement that declares you aren't doing this scummy thing I'm accusing you of doing, because you'd only do it if you were scum.

Of course. You asked for a good faith explanation, so I gave you the truth. I never said it was the only plausible explanation. Yours is of course PLAUSIBLE, you're just treating it like fact when it's only conjecture.

In post 502, Kay Mask wrote:What are you talking about? If I call everyone town I will be right 0% of the time because it's impossible for everyone to be town.

And I don't really see how them being common townreads factored into it.

They are still my own. I can explain the rest if you want.

In post 505, Kay Mask wrote:I'm saying that you don't know I'm doing that, because there's another possible explanation for what I'm doing.

But you're assuming I am, and since it is something only scum can do, you're assuming I'm scum, and trying to use that to prove I'm scum.

In post 507, Kay Mask wrote:Like the thing in question is "trying to look active for the sake of looking active." What is your proof that I'm doing that rather than just engaging in the ways in which I prefer?

In post 502, Kay Mask wrote:See this is a bad faith argument. It doesn't mean anything unless you set out to come up with reasons why I look scummy and then came across this. Not to mention it isn't even true-- scum need two more incorrect executions to win.

In post 502, Kay Mask wrote:That's, uh, not true? Although I didn't make it clear at the time I did explain later that my Kuzco townread was dependent on Kris being town. That's not fence-sitting.

In post 502, Kay Mask wrote:Lmao. Because I'm looking so much better out of this exchange.

How, exactly, did you think I was expecting to look better? I know that people hate this stuff. I've been getting shit for it since I joined the site. It does not make me look better, pretty much ever. Can you at least trust that that is true?

In post 509, Katrielle Mask wrote:

In post 507, Kay Mask wrote:Like the thing in question is "trying to look active for the sake of looking active." What is your proof that I'm doing that rather than just engaging in the ways in which I prefer?

The latter is not exclusive to the former. You probably are engaging in ways that you prefer, and you probably prefer to engage in ways that advance the game thread very little. This is a false dichotomy.

In post 506, Katrielle Mask wrote:Now that's a bad faith argument and not a response to my argument.

In post 500, Katrielle Mask wrote:3. Kirk and Kuzco are the only players you can talk about reasons for your reads on, and when you spoke of your Kuzco read you were seated so firmly on the fence that I'm almost certain it's top is imprinted on your rear.

In post 512, Kay Mask wrote:I townread Kitsune because they have been drawing attention to themself including with the poem thing, and family gimmick, and the baiting of people such as 239 - 242, and the no execute vote. If scum this is nothing short of brazen, and definitely risks accusations of trying to distract the thread and use a weird scum gimmick to avoid being paired with their other account.