27 (reaver) pings me. let me give an excuse for not having any good reads before starting. also isnt pocketing something that only scum would have to do? 50 (judgement) strikes me as wayyy too tryhard for that stage in the game. overanalyzing that much doesnt feel natural. judgements later posts on that page also reek of teaching and trying to score easy townpoints. 74 raya is probably town 104 (italiano) is odd. pretty defensive and finger-pointy and generally sounds like scum trying to sound like theyre posting from a town mindset. 113 (reaver) uh excuse me? where is any of this coming from? booo. this long wall of posts has some good stuff but its too long and its making me suspicious. 150 (frogster) is a good one 152 (judgement) is a good response but NAI and proves that judgement is pretty self-aware in wording, so guess we will have to evaluate content rather than phrasing. 165 (raya) is interesting. raya said she townhunts, but is here pretty aggressive in scumhunting. hmm 180 (frog) is bad. frog seems to really be digging here.
i caught up to the top of page 9. more to come later.
In post 497, geraintm wrote:I think you underestimate how puzzled I can be by other players. I had had a conversation with them about how they knew someone had voted for scum, worked out they meant one exact vote on one exact player, and then they just went and vigged someone else. I wanted to know why.
I guess it's natural to want to know why someone does something weird. But information that doesn't help in figuring out anyone's alignment is
dangerous
to know as town, especially if publicly posted in the thread – the scum will learn it too, and they can make better use of it than a townie can. This is why, for example, it's hugely anti-town to push someone to claim (except if you have a guilty on them, or during a generally agreed-upon massclaim). So as town, you have to train yourself into not asking questions when you can't make use of the answers for scumhunting/townhunting purposes.
In post 497, geraintm wrote:Your next post though confuses me, where you attack Walter for only interacting with me. You think you have found two scum in me and Walter?
They're reads that work independently (although obviously, they fit together with each other quite neatly). On day 1, reading players based on their interactions necessarily has to take a lot of possibilities into account; without flips, there's rarely enough information to be able to make use of associative tells. (It's still worth recording them, though, so that when people look back over the thread after a few players have flipped they have the information to understand what they mean.)
also moving my vote somewhere more useful VOTE: Walter
In post 299, Raya36 wrote:There's no wagon on callforjudgement anymore while there is on Walter. Plus I can barely read judgements posts so I need to go back through later
Based on this reasoning, why didn't you move your vote back onto me?
hmm
I am not sure about it being hard to imagine, but I think for you the possibility of nos being town is far fetched. from 488.
Not sure I agree that sarcasm is weak.
Frog, Could you elaborate on why you think there are 4 scum?
Agreed with gerain on italiano's post on frog.
K, Gerain, you are saying it is how you play D1s.
497 seems towny, but then there seems to be a self-counscious statement with 'Have I explained myself well enough."
At least that is how I see it.
Weird though we get a scum then a fan post and before that Nm with a vote on a person who just replaced in.
In post 471, Frogsterking wrote:Charmander just shot up to FoS #2 for his terrible defense of Nosferatu. Arguably it makes him even scummier than Nosferatu.
also VOTE: geraintm
it's not strong but the thing I called out earlier is the first thing in a while that's actively pinged me
If these are actually town reads then this list is terrible as well.
I’ll be sure to take your words into consideration, Mr. Thinks A Single Prodge Means Active Lurking
Sarcasm..
A weak-minded tool to control weak-minded people
The fool sits upon his tower of false gold, looking down on those he believe to be beneath him, when it is he who is the lowest, having bought a sham.
Touche.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:53 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 511, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:hmm
I am not sure about it being hard to imagine, but I think for you the possibility of nos being town is far fetched. from 488.
Not sure I agree that sarcasm is weak.
Frog, Could you elaborate on why you think there are 4 scum?
Agreed with gerain on italiano's post on frog.
K, Gerain, you are saying it is how you play D1s.
497 seems towny, but then there seems to be a self-counscious statement with 'Have I explained myself well enough."
At least that is how I see it.
Weird though we get a scum then a fan post and before that Nm with a vote on a person who just replaced in.
(added bold)
I feel like no one looks very townie and from what little I know about the range this setup could be there are probably three or four scum. If the setup is balanced so that there are four scum against extra prs for town that could explain the general lack of towniness.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:26 pm
by GeorgeBailey
SJReaver has been prodded!
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:37 pm
by Raya36
@mod v/la until tomorrow night
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:47 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
216 (reaver) hmmm... is this another obvious fake? this post is off 235 (frog) might be a wild take but its probably a good one and townie 257 (walter) this is a bad and obvious sheep vote. VOTE: walter 263 (reaver) is a post to come back to after some flips 272 (reaver) not an impressive readlist 315 (reaver) happy to oblige. youre a scumread.
overall walter and reaver are top scumreads.
gamma is probably town.
made it to the top of 15.
In post 358, Nosferatu wrote:i'm also not saying that you should be always anti town as town but it behooves you to do so in the first couple of days so you can actually play the game lmfao
isnt this only true if the other townies are playing scummy? if every townie is obvtown, the game gets pretty easy.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:02 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
367 (cfj) i dont see this coming from town. why would town want to read someone as town? you only want to read townies as town, so wanting to read someone as town comes off as scum knowing someone is town but seeing their posts as scummy, or maybe SvS
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:21 pm
by callforjudgement
In post 519, Tayl0r Swift wrote:367 (cfj) i dont see this coming from town. why would town want to read someone as town? you only want to read townies as town, so wanting to read someone as town comes off as scum knowing someone is town but seeing their posts as scummy, or maybe SvS
When your heart says town, but your brain says scum.
Normally my heart is right in this situation, and it really annoys me.
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:21 pm
by Tayl0r Swift
whoops did not mean to hit submit there. sometimes im a bit premature.
407 (nos) uh calling you scum is scummy? by self voting as town arent you necessarily playing against wincon? 413 (gamma) in what world is a self-vote not scummy? 436 (banana) hmm odd timing depending on flips this could be an attempt at a counterwagon?
VOTE: cfj
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:39 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 521, Tayl0r Swift wrote:whoops did not mean to hit submit there. sometimes im a bit premature.
407 (nos) uh calling you scum is scummy? by self voting as town arent you necessarily playing against wincon? 413 (gamma) in what world is a self-vote not scummy? 436 (banana) hmm odd timing depending on flips this could be an attempt at a counterwagon?
VOTE: cfj
scummy (or to better express what self-voting actually is, anti-town) doesn't mean scum
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:14 pm
by RCEnigma
In post 511, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Weird though we get a scum then a fan post and before that Nm with a vote on a person who just replaced in
In post 511, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:hmm
I am not sure about it being hard to imagine, but I think for you the possibility of nos being town is far fetched. from 488.
Not sure I agree that sarcasm is weak.
Frog, Could you elaborate on why you think there are 4 scum?
Agreed with gerain on italiano's post on frog.
K, Gerain, you are saying it is how you play D1s.
497 seems towny, but then there seems to be a self-counscious statement with 'Have I explained myself well enough."
At least that is how I see it.
Weird though we get a scum then a fan post and before that Nm with a vote on a person who just replaced in.
(added bold)
I feel like no one looks very townie and from what little I know about the range this setup could be there are probably three or four scum. If the setup is balanced so that there are four scum against extra prs for town that could explain the general lack of towniness.
I would have preferred this not be explained. But +1.
