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In post 500, VFP wrote:423 is scummy. Cat boi looks to be testing the waters with this post.
I'm not sure why they don't just vote my slot before the replace in though as I read their ISO as convenient or safe. Maybe town credit here.

@Catboi

What makes NM scum possibility to you after 27?

In post 501, VFP wrote:

T3
iN3krO

Meuh

NM

marcistar
catboi

Pearofclubs

Spoiler: Pear

So the entrance seemed a bit over explained in 40 and the being late part seems odd. 52 is more over explaining, as if trying to come accross as town.
62 / 64 is just trying to look busy while attempting to do nothing other than say "This person made a post that could or could not be scummy".
86 Second time to use the excuse of a new player being nervouse to justify not making a read, and again this entire post is just over explained and empty.
98 At first this looked like a really good post. Placing players as town / scum, giving reasons (even if they are just filler), and even asking Ink3ro a bunch of questions. However, there's no follow up when Ink3ro doesn't answer these? Even mentions that they want to see Ink3ro's response128 Which suggests that these were just to look busy and shade.
124 / 145 / 166 - Just filler again.
Back to 128 and this is just another post to post point.
134 This is the first post which I don't mind so much. Still could be seen as a convenient vote but minor credit for not just sitting on Ink3ro.
190 goes back into the scummy pile as the top part just seems reaching for a reason. The bottom part is just again overly explained to just say Null as if they are worried how to word it.
209Is what makes me think the read on Catboi is fake. "Why do I see you not answering questions as scummy?". Keep in mind that Ink3ro has posted again at this point and hasn't answered 98, yet Pear doesn't see this as scummy, even though it's the same reason. If this is what pings Pear to find scum, then this would be a prime place to point the finger. Ink3ro has jsut gone off the radar in Pear's peach, as has majority of the players by this point, and yet I still don't understand the full case here on Catboi.
305 / 306 - This is just a full speculation post that is shading Norwegianboyee for things that should be NAI. This is also shortly after NM puts Catboi to E2, Pear just seems to want to jump off. The entire explanation is once again, you guessed it, over explained. The only times that Pear is over explaining is when first entering the game or when putting shade on someone. If their filler posts had additional details in I could see it as a play style. It was a strange flip to even go down this path to your biggest town read with no progression read until this point.
376 I just read it as Pear has a lim going and is going for the LAMIST appeal with the last line.
378 feels strange and a scum flip just makes me suspect Catboi here.
385 / 419 - Empty posts. Even more so for 419 as there's a lot of words there to only basically copy 134. However, the 4th part is Pear knowing that this is a green flip and trying to play the LAMIST again for being "legitimately surprised". This is not a town mindset and that reasoning is poor for this entire case.
421 This post is wierd and looks as if they want to blame T3 going forward. 424 if NM was going to pop up and do it why would it matter if T3 did instead? It just seems like shading to take some of the blame off before a flip has even happened. If Pear was confident here it would be a more believable post.
450 And here is more shading to T3, including the hammer. For someone who was willing to take the back lash, T3 being hammer seems to be a thing here, right?

Conclusion?
Pear ignores every player in the game day 1 other than the person they are 'pushing'. Keep in mind there is no pushing, no sorting and no actual scum hunting.
Catboi getting to E2 and then Pear jumping ship doesn't look good for these 2 slots. Keep in mind, there was no follow up on any previous read. Most players were null.

NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

The main issue I have with Scum Pear is how many players can be their scum buddy here.

VOTE: Pearofclubs

In post 489, catboi wrote:Really? What are your reads right now?

In post 512, iN3krO wrote:I'll try to read marcistar and pears isos by tonight so I can try and understand the push on them.

It kinda surprises me that VFP has T3 as a strong town read, I'm mostly aprehensive by T3 playstyle. The way he hastly wrote VFP off as an unreadable player rubbed me the wrong way.

In post 514, T3 wrote:

In post 512, iN3krO wrote:I'll try to read marcistar and pears isos by tonight so I can try and understand the push on them.

It kinda surprises me that VFP has T3 as a strong town read, I'm mostly aprehensive by T3 playstyle. The way he hastly wrote VFP off as an unreadable player rubbed me the wrong way.

The unreadable wasa joke.

In post 506, VFP wrote:

Spoiler:

@Pear

what's your reads now on Catboi, marcistar, and iN3krO?

You haven't pushed anyone in this day, and even T3 you seem to be sitting on before casting a vote.
Your argument above does nothing for me.
"Sorry I over explain"
"The push would have looked good if I got scum"
"Everyone had empty posts day 1"
"I want to OMGUS you here but I'm scared to"

Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.
I'll go through this when I'm at my PC later.

In post 501, VFP wrote:

T3
iN3krO

Meuh

NM

marcistar
catboi

Pearofclubs

Spoiler: Pear

So the entrance seemed a bit over explained in 40 and the being late part seems odd. 52 is more over explaining, as if trying to come accross as town.
62 / 64 is just trying to look busy while attempting to do nothing other than say "This person made a post that could or could not be scummy".
86 Second time to use the excuse of a new player being nervouse to justify not making a read, and again this entire post is just over explained and empty.
98 At first this looked like a really good post. Placing players as town / scum, giving reasons (even if they are just filler), and even asking Ink3ro a bunch of questions. However, there's no follow up when Ink3ro doesn't answer these? Even mentions that they want to see Ink3ro's response128 Which suggests that these were just to look busy and shade.
124 / 145 / 166 - Just filler again.
Back to 128 and this is just another post to post point.
134 This is the first post which I don't mind so much. Still could be seen as a convenient vote but minor credit for not just sitting on Ink3ro.
190 goes back into the scummy pile as the top part just seems reaching for a reason. The bottom part is just again overly explained to just say Null as if they are worried how to word it.
209Is what makes me think the read on Catboi is fake. "Why do I see you not answering questions as scummy?". Keep in mind that Ink3ro has posted again at this point and hasn't answered 98, yet Pear doesn't see this as scummy, even though it's the same reason. If this is what pings Pear to find scum, then this would be a prime place to point the finger. Ink3ro has jsut gone off the radar in Pear's peach, as has majority of the players by this point, and yet I still don't understand the full case here on Catboi.
305 / 306 - This is just a full speculation post that is shading Norwegianboyee for things that should be NAI. This is also shortly after NM puts Catboi to E2, Pear just seems to want to jump off. The entire explanation is once again, you guessed it, over explained. The only times that Pear is over explaining is when first entering the game or when putting shade on someone. If their filler posts had additional details in I could see it as a play style. It was a strange flip to even go down this path to your biggest town read with no progression read until this point.
376 I just read it as Pear has a lim going and is going for the LAMIST appeal with the last line.
378 feels strange and a scum flip just makes me suspect Catboi here.
385 / 419 - Empty posts. Even more so for 419 as there's a lot of words there to only basically copy 134. However, the 4th part is Pear knowing that this is a green flip and trying to play the LAMIST again for being "legitimately surprised". This is not a town mindset and that reasoning is poor for this entire case.
421 This post is wierd and looks as if they want to blame T3 going forward. 424 if NM was going to pop up and do it why would it matter if T3 did instead? It just seems like shading to take some of the blame off before a flip has even happened. If Pear was confident here it would be a more believable post.
450 And here is more shading to T3, including the hammer. For someone who was willing to take the back lash, T3 being hammer seems to be a thing here, right?

Conclusion?
Pear ignores every player in the game day 1 other than the person they are 'pushing'. Keep in mind there is no pushing, no sorting and no actual scum hunting.
Catboi getting to E2 and then Pear jumping ship doesn't look good for these 2 slots. Keep in mind, there was no follow up on any previous read. Most players were null.

NorwegianboyEE's wagon is never an all town wagon here.
So at least that rules out NM / marcistar.

The main issue I have with Scum Pear is how many players can be their scum buddy here.

VOTE: Pearofclubs

In post 516, Pearofclubs wrote:

In post 506, VFP wrote:

Spoiler:

@Pear

what's your reads now on Catboi, marcistar, and iN3krO?

You haven't pushed anyone in this day, and even T3 you seem to be sitting on before casting a vote.
Your argument above does nothing for me.
"Sorry I over explain"
"The push would have looked good if I got scum"
"Everyone had empty posts day 1"
"I want to OMGUS you here but I'm scared to"

Let me confirm, Pear is only ever over explaining posts when there's pressure to be judged on the side. And if you read their scum game there's a lot of simular posting from there to here.
I'll go through this when I'm at my PC later.

Spoiler:

1. Yes, if you read my scumgame you'll find that I similarly overexplain when I make a post I feel is important. That's what I said, except you're convienently leaving out that I did the same thing in my towngame. That was my point. If it's something I do all the time, is it a scumread? I don't really think that's the case.
2. Um, yes. It would've looked good if Norwee had flipped red...? The way you're saying it it seems like you're mocking me for having that mentality, but that isn't even what I said. This is the sort of thing that's making me wonder whether you're on the level or not. I don't feel like town would push half-truths and intentional misinterpretations so hard.
3. Everyone did have a lot of empty posts day one...? You're acting like it's a silly thing to say, but it's true. If everyone's doing something in a game, you can't single someone out and say it's AI for them.
4. It's not OMGUS because in spite of your questionable behavior while scumhunting, I don't actually think you're scum as of right now. I didn't SR Sama, and that's affecting my opinion of your slot. After all, if I want to call you mafia, I have to be able to justify what I've seen out of Sama as a mafia player. Maybe another read'll change that but as of now I think you're okay.

I'll answer your questions, but I just want to put it out there that I'm fully aware you're asking it less for my actual insight and more to get ideas about who my partner is, because you've

totally caught me.

Marcistar- If Marci is mafia then likely N-M is also. She defended him from the notion of a policy vote early on, and town!marci might do that, but scum!marci would be pretty unlikely to unless N-M is her partner. As for her own work, I stand by my prior assessment that I can't really remember much that she's done, despite at this moment she has 48 posts, which is the fourth most in the thread. I take notes on other players when something pings me (although I'll fully admit this past week I've been pretty busy/lazy about this game) and I don't really have all that much about her. I'd somewhat forgotten she was playing. That's bad.

Catboi- Upon glancing back over Cat's meta I'm fairly sure he's town at this point. I didn't like his lack of posting at the beginning of the game but he really opened up and started putting in some work. He questioned my theory when it started catching on, he wanted to slow things down and get as much information out of Norwee as possible at the end of the day. I like the push on marci at this moment. As mentioned above, it makes sense, it's just not something I ever noticed. She flew beneath my radar.

I think Marci's a good place to look today. VOTE: Marcistar
It really isn't helping that she's not around now.

In post 516, Pearofclubs wrote:I stand by my prior assessment that I can't really remember much that she's done, despite at this moment she has 48 posts, which is the fourth most in the thread. I take notes on other players when something pings me (although I'll fully admit this past week I've been pretty busy/lazy about this game) and I don't really have all that much about her. I'd somewhat forgotten she was playing. That's bad.

I think Marci's a good place to look today. VOTE: Marcistar
It really isn't helping that she's not around now.