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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:38 am
by Roden
In post 492, SCP 999 wrote:ok fk it im impatient lol
Subject: Newbie 2076: Mafia Hideout
Roden wrote:Weird. But yeah I can do that. Bus me if you need to, T3 will probably suspect me since he's seen me steamroll the last two scum games and knows he can't let me fly under the radar.
im still gonna keep reading stuff but - this SUPER stood out as this is confirmation that roden does default to lurky under the radar play as scum.
I'm going to leave the reaction to Roden to see if they deny it before I even bother verifying this - but essentially I think I caught scum lackin and trying to just watch town eat eachother for the most part(this HARDSPEWS infinity town too -> remember that.)
Oof. This is a fair point about my scum meta but I'm not actually lurking, you can see in my post history I've posted very little at all on this site the past couple days. Tbh as long as you don't metabad I'm more than fine with having someone dig into my meta.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:40 am
by Roden
Ngl 999 you're already doing better than literally everyone in Scarlet Witch who tried to meta me.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:43 am
by SCP 999
who is the person who is linked to Dunn as claiming to receive the FN message?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:45 am
by SCP 999
I just realized its not Amph after reading that ISO - and recent postings are making me doubt stuff and I need to go back and look at Dunn + their linked partner.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:49 am
by SCP 999
In post 168, Ampharos wrote:lmao what the fuck happened while i was gone
anyways, mech stuff:
- my role does not use d-class or guards
- i visited dunnstral last night and was told that he is town; this result is unrelated to my role
will post actual game related takes later
oh nvm it is amph i just can't read lmao
and i wasnt townreading dunn at the time and wanted to pressure amph at the time
(still don't actually)
i'd really like to hear more thoughts from dunn + amph though - just because 1 clears the other does not a masonry make - and I will forever ignore mechs in favor of solving holistically <3
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:51 am
by SCP 999
@Cephir, I have possibly the least experience playing with you - only doing so by proxy via Team Mafia iirc - what would you say are key differences in play when you are scum vs when you are town? - I'm basically asking you to explain why you are town for sure here. I am asking this from a place of townreading you - but I'm currently at a point where everyone feels *good* to some degree and I need to start raising the bar more.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:54 am
by Infinity Zero
tbh i liked
125, and didn't hate roden's reaction to the meta thing; i like a zyla vote better but i'll see what gamma says
@zyla actions are one thing but dunn is confirmed town unless he's doing a gambit with amy, do you think that's likely?
-infinity
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:55 am
by SCP 999
In post 125, Roden wrote:Wtf happened yesterday? I woke up to the thread being locked and a Cop claim getting flash wagon'd for no apparent reason. I kept rereading what happened but all anyone kept saying was "yeah this is probably scum" over and over again.
I believe the Vig claim since I'm sure scum were salivating over Deadbeat's hammer and would never NK a policy elim. Though this means scum either no-killed or got blocked; it's possible they tried to shoot 999 to try to call their bluff. Either that or we have a protective role making god tier plays with zero information.
what about this did you like ?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:59 am
by Infinity Zero
genuine but not overblown frustration about the d1 elim; good mechanics spec
-infinity
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:59 am
by Infinity Zero
unless I again have yet the read the specific post, you've yet to justify why you have us as such a strong SR.
-Gamma
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:07 am
by SCP 999
but this is not a good holistic reason to townread ?
thats not how effective scumhunting works - you should know that.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:09 am
by Infinity Zero
In post 510, SCP 999 wrote:
but this is not a good holistic reason to townread ?
thats not how effective scumhunting works - you should know that.
/shrug, it's enough for a townlean for me, i might re-evaluate later but i don't have a particular reason to suspect him atm
-infinity
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:12 am
by Zyla
In post 506, Infinity Zero wrote:@zyla actions are one thing but dunn is confirmed town unless he's doing a gambit with amy, do you think that's likely?
I don't think it's likely, but I'm not at the point where I'm ready to locktown him either
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:12 am
by SCP 999
In post 511, Infinity Zero wrote: In post 510, SCP 999 wrote:
but this is not a good holistic reason to townread ?
thats not how effective scumhunting works - you should know that.
/shrug, it's enough for a townlean for me, i might re-evaluate later but i don't have a particular reason to suspect him atm
-infinity
you're on the chopping block - why are you *not* concerned with going deeper into reasoning?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:18 am
by SCP 999
mmmmmmmmmmm
at this point im thinking like -
yeah.
zyla/infinity has 1 scum. that's SvT.
Idk im fucking like trying to restructure my reads bc i started feeling like everyone was towny and it was fucking with me.
bleh
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:21 am
by Infinity Zero
maybe i should be. i don't really know if there's that much to analyze from roden's posts though. also i wanted to talk to gamma. he said that he liked
498 but not much else
it's possible that roden just posted that big wall in order to get townreads but it didn't really feel that way and i thought it was relatively towny how he wanted to townread our slot because he related to gamma's frustration about being sred early on. i think towniest connect their reads to personal experiences and emotions a lot and scum might not think to fake that. that's about it
-infinity
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:30 am
by Cephrir
In post 505, SCP 999 wrote:@Cephir, I have possibly the least experience playing with you - only doing so by proxy via Team Mafia iirc - what would you say are key differences in play when you are scum vs when you are town? - I'm basically asking you to explain why you are town for sure here. I am asking this from a place of townreading you - but I'm currently at a point where everyone feels *good* to some degree and I need to start raising the bar more.
I'm a good scum player, at least as far as avoiding the lim. I excel at sounding town tonally and imitating my town game.
At a baseline, I tend to play more confident and care more as scum and be kind of a sideline/support player as town (though I still post plenty usually), but I'm aware of this so will sometimes project lower confidence and/or wim on purpose. Perhaps unfortunately, having bad reads is probably a towntell. As for how to tell the difference, I honestly don't know, but some people seem to manage it. I'm probably better at sounding town on my own than managing associatives?
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:30 am
by SCP 999
Can you then tell me where you're at in terms of reads then? - Who should be off the table mainly
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:30 am
by SCP 999
In post 516, Cephrir wrote: In post 505, SCP 999 wrote:@Cephir, I have possibly the least experience playing with you - only doing so by proxy via Team Mafia iirc - what would you say are key differences in play when you are scum vs when you are town? - I'm basically asking you to explain why you are town for sure here. I am asking this from a place of townreading you - but I'm currently at a point where everyone feels *good* to some degree and I need to start raising the bar more.
I'm a good scum player, at least as far as avoiding the lim. I excel at sounding town tonally and imitating my town game.
At a baseline, I tend to play more confident and care more as scum and be kind of a sideline/support player as town (though I still post plenty usually), but I'm aware of this so will sometimes project lower confidence and/or wim on purpose. Perhaps unfortunately, having bad reads is probably a towntell. As for how to tell the difference, I honestly don't know, but some people seem to manage it. I'm probably better at sounding town on my own than managing associatives?
Appreciate it
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:32 am
by Cephrir
In post 510, SCP 999 wrote:
but this is not a good holistic reason to townread ?
thats not how effective scumhunting works - you should know that.
The former is basically what I liked as well. Dude has 20 posts, I can only work with what I've got. And I mean as expressed above I'm not actually a good scumhunter so nyeh.
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:06 am
by Infinity Zero
it looks like you're throwing out suspicions and seeing what sticks
-Gamma
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:09 am
by Infinity Zero
In post 473, Zyla wrote:Towniness isn't based on actions for me, galron and dunn both didn't have bad vibes
I think Infinity was more curious why you had Galron equivalent to someone who is town by night play presumably (not that I'm trying to object to the read, I'm just saying for the sake of discussion)
-Gamma
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:11 am
by Infinity Zero
In post 484, SCP 999 wrote:Ok this is a random question for everyone : but who feels that Roden has flown really hard under the radar?
He maybe has but I don't think it's like in 235 where he felt suspicious for it, it just seems like maybe a consequence of the gamestate?
-Gamma
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:13 am
by Infinity Zero
In post 489, SCP 999 wrote:ok like full honesty i want to switch to roden 100% but like im afraid of people then flipping it as me trying to "save a partner" [zyla] and then like end up mislimming today and then tomorrow is even worse and we snowball into a loss - so i'm being careful trying to make sure we can cooperate - but if people are willing to listen and be convinced, I'd like to shine light on Roden here right now.
I don't object to bringing Roden into the light but I think unless I actually sense something off from him I won't be down to push there for real
-Gamma
Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:39 pm
by SirCakez
In post 474, SCP 999 wrote:LLD. - if you are town here i implore you to consolidate onto zyla because i hard tr infinity here - like the fact that out of all your reads and my reads differences and im hard pushing the one read we do share scumread wise, you should be able to at *least* consider good faith for getting zyla out - you have many reasons for scumreading her - and i have a similarly strong read there for other reasons - mainly that she is the least towny( my method of sorting now primarily focuses on how much i townread someone as thats my strong point - finding townies)
You should understand that my pov that you likely can be a scum doing a gambit to avoid being limmed and control the gamestate at the same time.
I also ask others leave infinityalone at least 1 day phase here - and reconsider on zyla's flip.
If zyla does flip town - I'll start reevalling - but until then i dont think i need to because i believe its a hit.
I agree Zyla is scummy but why is IZ town?