Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:46 pm
I thought about leaving this pagetop for somebody else, but nah, I'm gettin' it
That's probably fair. For a short while I tried posting high-effort, high-content in my games, but 1) I'm not very good at that and 2) I tend not to have the time in the day for it.In post 501, mc esther wrote:do you believe that "low-content" would be a fair assessment of your playstyle in general? do you believe it's a fair assessment of your play in this particular game?
@GL: This is the redundancy I was referring to. Like why bring up the GL NK?In post 473, Bingle wrote:Why would you engage in preemptive NKA in the first place though?In post 457, Pavowski wrote:I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.
Like... This is just introducing so much WIFOM into the thread.
If GL gets shot here, did Bingle do it for towncred? Did scum do it trying to frame Bingle? Did the CPR doc do it trying to save GL from the scum shot that was trying to frame Bingle of either alignment?
Just posting that makes it completely useless.
He brought it up the second time because Salsa asked him why he brought it up and he was trying to clarify his original post. How is that "redundant" when he was literally asked to explain??In post 503, Auro wrote:@GL: This is the redundancy I was referring to. Like why bring up the GL NK?
I'm a little concerned you didn't see this.
IMO, these kinds of reads (TvS) only work if both parties are acting like theyIn post 457, Pavowski wrote:I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.In post 445, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 440, Pavowski wrote: A NK'd GL would be another story.What do you mean by that?
GL, what is your read on Salsa atp? Because I sorta feel like you have been a bit too forgiving to people in the game so far. Not like that's inherently Scummy (unless you're doing it for Town cred), but it's a weird angle. Someone said they weren't seeing the fire from your posts. I'll admit I haven't actually seen that type of thing from you personally (overt aggression), but someone (I think Bingle) said they didn't get why you weren't being as aggressive so I feel like there's something based on that read that IDK of your play.In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were toIn post 468, Salsabil Faria wrote:If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.knowthat I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd wouldfurthermake him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.
You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.
Core of my pav read, LQ.In post 389, Bingle wrote:Townslip? Eh, either way it’s towny.In post 368, Pavowski wrote:In post 361, Auro wrote:Why is it scum thinking - why can't town be unsure? Is there a hidden reason scum would be unsure? Is there fault with her reasoning for not being sure?In post 351, Pavowski wrote:Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized
Of course town can be unsure. Town *should* be unsure.
What's scum thinking is "I've decided I want to vote this person but I'm not going to" because...? Like imo town just votes there whereas scum is a lot more concerned about how their vote "looks".
I wouldn't consider e-3 the verge of elimination, and if scum is willing to give the game away and quick hammer from that far out, I'd say that's worth letting somebody get quick limmed.Salsabil Faria wrote:You saidRodenwasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums.
Which part?In post 507, Bingle wrote:Core of my pav read, LQ.In post 389, Bingle wrote:Townslip? Eh, either way it’s towny.In post 368, Pavowski wrote:In post 361, Auro wrote:Why is it scum thinking - why can't town be unsure? Is there a hidden reason scum would be unsure? Is there fault with her reasoning for not being sure?In post 351, Pavowski wrote:Salsa always seems to have a bit of chaotic energy that I find hard to read, but I was pinging after the whole "I want to vote roden but not sure I should" thing, which is scum thinking though I don't know why it was verbalized
Of course town can be unsure. Town *should* be unsure.
What's scum thinking is "I've decided I want to vote this person but I'm not going to" because...? Like imo town just votes there whereas scum is a lot more concerned about how their vote "looks".
I wouldn't consider e-3 the verge of elimination, and if scum is willing to give the game away and quick hammer from that far out, I'd say that's worth letting somebody get quick limmed.Salsabil Faria wrote:You saidRodenwasn't verge of the elimination but they're at E-3 that time and we have 4 scums.
I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lolIn post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?
Uhhhh... I don't see how you get that from any of my Auro takes. I didn't like his attempt to gotcha Pav over easily understandable posts. None of what I've had to say has had anything to do with paranoiaIn post 508, Bingle wrote:I really dislike GLs auro takes, btw. It reads like gl is calling auro scummy for being paranoid,
Oh and on this - I can be aggressive, but not always, it depends on how strongly I feel about the read. I don't scumread Bingle for scumreading me because last time we were both town he scumread me for similar reasons and I can understand why he thinks I've been a lil lamisty, I get that a lotIn post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:Are you ever aggressive in games? And if not, why are you not SRing the person who said this?
Are you planning on killing your SRs with kindness or something? You're SRing both Roden and Salsa and seem to be very gentle with both of them.In post 510, GuiltyLion wrote:I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lolIn post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?
I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?
I don't think I've been especially flowery? Like where do you see me doing that, specifically? I went in hard on Roden, he bailed, and Salsa has had enough attention that I haven't needed to push it myself. I'm satisfied with the gamestate currently, I don't need to do anything at the moment other than poke at peripheral slots like AuroIn post 513, LicketyQuickety wrote:P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?
These posts right here:In post 514, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't think I've been especially flowery? Like where do you see me doing that, specifically? I went in hard on Roden, he bailed, and Salsa has had enough attention that I haven't needed to push it myself. I'm satisfied with the gamestate currently, I don't need to do anything at the moment other than poke at peripheral slots like AuroIn post 513, LicketyQuickety wrote:P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?
In post 133, GuiltyLion wrote:being fair to Roden, I basically challenged him in my last post to go at me, so I'm not surprised to see him bite back. What I'd like to actually hear from him though is why he thinks my behavior is more likely to come from me as scum than me as town, because that's what's missingIn post 130, LicketyQuickety wrote:This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.
In the first, you are giving Roden a pass. In the second, you are basically treating Salsa with kid gloves.In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were toIn post 468, Salsabil Faria wrote:If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.knowthat I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd wouldfurthermake him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.
You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.
Why do I feel like you are explaining yourself thoroughly to your SRs but not to me?In post 516, GuiltyLion wrote:I disagree with your assessment of both those posts, but I appreciate you referencing them. The first one in particular is definitely not a pass, I'm explicitly challenging him to explain why he thinks my play comes from me as scum
I'm referring to the first time, or post 440 though?In post 504, GuiltyLion wrote:He brought it up the second time because Salsa asked him why he brought it up and he was trying to clarify his original post. How is that "redundant" when he was literally asked to explain??In post 503, Auro wrote:@GL: This is the redundancy I was referring to. Like why bring up the GL NK?
I'm a little concerned you didn't see this.
I'm VERY concerned you don't see that
And Bingle stated the same as well earlier - even if you disagree about whether it's likely signalling, do you not concede that this is a valid viewpoint?In post 473, Bingle wrote:Why would you engage in preemptive NKA in the first place though?In post 457, Pavowski wrote:I mean that limming town!GL with Bingles points in mind would be scum indicative on Bingle, but if GL were NK'd I wouldn't assume Bingle was behind it.
Like... This is just introducing so much WIFOM into the thread.
If GL gets shot here, did Bingle do it for towncred? Did scum do it trying to frame Bingle? Did the CPR doc do it trying to save GL from the scum shot that was trying to frame Bingle of either alignment?
Just posting that makes it completely useless.