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They way that Clark has gone existing in thread while close to elimination feels more likely to be scum then a town PR I think.

But on the other hand, looking at the Clark wiki, jailkeeper seems very thematically appropriate while jailkeeper seeming to be an unlikely role for scum to get.

Gonna think on it

In post 498, Clark~ wrote:I'm a jailkeeper

In post 500, Fuchs~ wrote:They way that Clark has gone existing in thread while close to elimination feels more likely to be scum then a town PR I think.

But on the other hand, looking at the Clark wiki, jailkeeper seems very thematically appropriate while jailkeeper seeming to be an unlikely role for scum to get.

Gonna think on it

Strongly agree with the first point, why do you think it's unlikely for scun to have this role?

In post 500, Fuchs~ wrote:They way that Clark has gone existing in thread while close to elimination feels more likely to be scum then a town PR I think.

But on the other hand, looking at the Clark wiki, jailkeeper seems very thematically appropriate while jailkeeper seeming to be an unlikely role for scum to get.

Gonna think on it

are you telling me that I have to watch the movie?

I think the fact that Clark has done the "claim, then dip the thread again" approach feels like scum going into antispew.

I'm gonna let Fuchs answer the above question first, but I have something to say about it.

Pedit: Oh look, first alt slip of the game. Fun.

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We can test a jailkeeper claim in this game because scum can't actually have a roleblocker but this risks letting Clark jump into a new body if she is a thing

Well, how do you envision testing the claim?

Also, irregardless of the claim, the fact that they're still not solving, trying to find scum, doing anything, etc, is pretty scummy imo

Hi friends!

Just letting you know that y'all should be tracking posting times from various folks.

Now, granted! Won't help for everyone since people like me talk for like 16 hours per day, buuuuuut, you should be tracking both the TIMES they post and what day of the WEEK they post AT those times. (For instance I can post 12 hours apart on some different days but the days that're 12 pm are usually always the same and the days that're 12 am are usually always the same, as an example.)

If someone's posting time changes overnight, probably scum!

Tbh I think the mechanic while fascinating won't actually be used by the scum for exactly that reason; too easy to get caught because this isn't the same rl environment of an epicmafia 'guiser.

Still tho, worth checking out just in case some scum's stupid enough to try.

Anyway, reading now!

In post 511, Childs~ wrote:Hi friends!

Just letting you know that y'all should be tracking posting times from various folks.

Now, granted! Won't help for everyone since people like me talk for like 16 hours per day, buuuuuut, you should be tracking both the TIMES they post and what day of the WEEK they post AT those times. (For instance I can post 12 hours apart on some different days but the days that're 12 pm are usually always the same and the days that're 12 am are usually always the same, as an example.)

If someone's posting time changes overnight, probably scum!

Tbh I think the mechanic while fascinating won't actually be used by the scum for exactly that reason; too easy to get caught because this isn't the same rl environment of an epicmafia 'guiser.

Still tho, worth checking out just in case some scum's stupid enough to try.

Anyway, reading now!

If they were stupid enough to try they aren't going to be stupid enough to try now you've pointed it out... I don't see the town motivation for posting this now rather than say sometime in D2.

In post 510, MacReady~ wrote:Also, irregardless of the claim, the fact that they're still not solving, trying to find scum, doing anything, etc, is pretty scummy imo

agree with this

In post 7, Fuchs~ wrote:VOTE: Childs

OMGUS
VOTE: Fuchs

In post 17, Clark~ wrote:VOTE: Childs

OMGUS!
VOTE: Clark

In post 79, Copper~ wrote:I don't think Clark is scum. Off-the-hip gut read.

Funny, mine is that you're scum if he isn't.

In post 95, Bennings~ wrote:I agree with the sentiment in the sense that Copper (and Clark for that matter) both have an over-explainy, formal kind of tone that I'd put as +Scum.
Because of the shading, Copper/Child probably not scum together.
Lars prob-town.

I like this for town.

In post 105, Nauls~ wrote:This post is pretty scummy... like "let me clearly describe my thought process around what you've said because I'm such a townie town " the "nice try" rubs me the wrong way
It's kind of a meh response to the TBH thing in general, to just go "heehee, it's NAI!". Feels less like Norris naturally found it to be NAI and more like Norris just not being attracted to the thought of jumping on that wagon.
Hard to put into exact words but this feels very performative. Plus I don't like the vote on Windows, their entrance was the best in my opinion.
VOTE: Norris

Not sure if tryharding town or scum tbh.

In post 397, Copper~ wrote:

In post 343, Bennings~ wrote:

In post 248, Nauls~ wrote:Honestly I’m not the biggest fan of the votes that have piled onto Norris, but Norris also hasn’t given me any reason to feel any better about them than before.

Yeah I'm getting LHF vibes

Doesn't seem like genuine LHF town and more like scum trolling to look like LHF. Subtle difference.

sure, there is a difference, but you haven't done anything to explain what the difference is, hence why your voting seems kinda fabricated/opportunistic

just saying "this trolling seems scummy" and then voting him doesn't really seem like you're trying to figure out alignment, you're just finding a reason

In post 512, Windows~ wrote:If they were stupid enough to try they aren't going to be stupid enough to try now you've pointed it out... I don't see the town motivation for posting this now rather than say sometime in D2.

it limits scum options because now they have to think about this

similar to how nauls (i think it was nauls) commented about not voting on E-2 limits scum options, which I think was a much townier way of the whole "i don't want to put someone to E-1" train of thought than what fuchs did originally

In post 512, Windows~ wrote:If they were stupid enough to try they aren't going to be stupid enough to try now you've pointed it out... I don't see the town motivation for posting this now rather than say sometime in D2.

also to follow up on this, why would scum even write this in the thread, then? feels nitpicky to say it's not town motivated but not see that it's also very difficult for it to be scum motivated?

In post 478, Blair~ wrote:Clark doesn't feel like he's trying to find any bad people at all.

Clark asks what should be done but like it should be pretty obvious what the goal of this game is no?

to add to this now that there's been a claim

claiming and then not really expanding on thoughts or anything feels weird, especially if you know you're town and you've just claimed your role. maybe it's just from how i play but when i'm "confirmed" in my mind (ik clark isn't confirmed) i try to become more involved in the thread, not the opposite, because i know i'm likely to die

@Clark

do you have actual scumreads? your reads outside of fuchs have been very surface level

In post 520, Bennings~ wrote:

In post 512, Windows~ wrote:If they were stupid enough to try they aren't going to be stupid enough to try now you've pointed it out... I don't see the town motivation for posting this now rather than say sometime in D2.

it limits scum options because now they have to think about this

similar to how nauls (i think it was nauls) commented about not voting on E-2 limits scum options, which I think was a much townier way of the whole "i don't want to put someone to E-1" train of thought than what fuchs did originally

Telling everyone not to vote on E-2 avoids us falling into a scum trap where they can quickhammer with lower costs than usual.

Telling everyone to check timestamps avoids scum falling into a town trap where they post at their usual times and we catch them because of it.

Both take away options from scum, I agree, but the first takes away a good option for scum and the second takes away a bad option for scum.

In post 521, Bennings~ wrote:
also to follow up on this, why would scum even write this in the thread, then? feels nitpicky to say it's not town motivated but not see that it's also very difficult for it to be scum motivated?

I see it as potentially a "look I'm helping us to make good plans as town" sort of thing. Easy way to try to appear helpful.

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In other news I'm doubtful of Clark's claim (on p-edit I see Bennings said what I was going to, that claiming a decent PR and going silent after doesn't feel like it comes from town.

And I'm not keen to delay to test it given she could assimilate away if scum (making bolder fakeclaims less risky). Plus, testing the claim would also involve outing another PR. That all sounds like extra motive for scum to fake claim a role like this.

There's also the risk of a gambit where scum-someone confirms being jailkept by Clark to confirm scum-Clark.

So yeah, I feel ready to vote Clark, but I do want to give Norris, Lars, Garry and Copper a chance to comment first though.

Claim with no scum hunting or answering of game related questions = scum