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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:55 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
*jots down in notebook "kill Bell ASAP"*
cool keep going
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 4:59 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 4600, Menalque wrote: In post 4597, Enchant wrote:
VP BELIEVES DWLEE IS TOWN SOMEHOW BECAUSE "IT'S TOO EASY FOR THEM TO BE MAFIA."
LIKE WHAT
I mean basically this
I don’t think scum more or less ever takes that line in a 1v1
ok I know I said I probably wouldn't respond to much but I lied it's just easier to rapid-fire takes when I have them
I wanna know if Menalque ever explained this cause I feel like it's an easy angle to take as scum? Like if scum!VPB wins a 1-1 on Dwlee and Dwlee flips town, he's just toast tomorrow. Why not stall his or Dwlee's flip as long as possible if it can prevent town from achieving useful info? Winning the 1-1 doesn't really do a lot for scum!him other than delay his own death by a day, pushing elsewhere allows for more confusion especially via another miselim
and if anything it might get him townread enough to get out of a 1-1 situation, which you'd be falling for here
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:00 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 4608, VP Baltar wrote:You should take a step back and think about what I would actually gain from approaching the game this way as scum (nothing)
and like he even explicitly tries to invoke it for towncred here
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:05 pm
by Cephrir
n7n704 sm1wpo baltar rr4imi
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:06 pm
by Cephrir
In post 5022, GuiltyLion wrote:GuiltyLion just came from an internet random username generator haha, it was some kind of random adjective + random noun thing and I generated and handful and liked this one the best
damn i have been secretly hoping you were a furry this whole time
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:14 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 4863, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if VPB flips scum here...
like GL is never defusing another bomb.[no1 in their right mind would let him defuse another bomb]
I am never defusing a bomb.
If the scum really r doing 4 defusal win condition it would have to be someone extremely townread as the third partner
ok now that I'm getting to this post in context
if VP flips scum, I personally know it would be safe to defuse another bomb, but I think people without knowledge of my alignment would be smart to play it safe by just not defusing no matter who it is, I think that's just kinda correct from a neutral view. so I would expect probably scum are just gonna throw townies in there and let the experts blow them up and we probably just have to deal with that, it's the cost of letting VP get two defuses
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:17 pm
by GuiltyLion
I think with context I actually like Andante's posting/reads a lot more
I get the paranoia about me being a VPB partner and I don't think scum!Andante really has a lot of incentive to clear Dwlee? I mean maybe that's setting herself up for endgame but I think she's too townread, if we get to ELO we have to ask why Andante is still around, right?
Main thing is just not to let her defuse any bombs in case this is a bus on a buddy, but I think I'm wrong on scum!Andante and I feel Menalque's positioning has been a lot more convenient than hers. VPB/Misty/Menalque is the easy answer but I feel like it fits the puzzle pieces we have so far here
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:21 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 4951, Cephrir wrote: In post 4936, Titus wrote:The implied visit was an attempt to secure an accurate read on VP. The hood established a crumb section for me since I claimed a cop in our thread. I could not actually check anyone. However by implying I had a result on whichever Dwlee or VP got ran up, it would be more likely the result was correct.
Our crumb system had me document who I "checked". I deliberately started with my first post outside of that range.
If my hood had a scum, they would waste roleblocking or kills on me.
hence everything i said earlier. i thought titus was claiming roleblocked when she crumbed something that wasn't in our code and therefore gl or pooky was scum
yeah, I think Pooky trying to be like "chill Ceph let's wait until Titus explicitly confirms she was roleblocked" was a townie reply too
I mean maybe Pooky is like god tier manipulator but my instinct is that it was an uninformed reaction
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:23 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 4961, Menalque wrote:Titus likes a big brain play as scum
I remember when she was on (and maybe the driving force behind?) a scumteam in nomination mafia that made the first set of nominees the entire scumteam
lol that was a fun gambit but it screwed us over so hard in the end because there was no way to flip two of the three without it suggesting that the third was also likely to be scum
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:28 pm
by GuiltyLion
In post 4993, VP Baltar wrote:
I'm a compulsive vengeful defuser. Anytime I am nominated as defuser, if I get blown up, the mod will send me a list of names of anyone who gave me incorrect information. I then must choose to kill one of them.
I am thinking about this claim and it doesn't feel like a mechanically sound role as town, right? Because how are scum supposed to play around this? The only way it's not a guaranteed 1-1 is if multiple players in a hood submit false info, which would be really hard to intentionally orchestrate. You basically have to be limmed or NK'd to be dealt with safely, and that's if scum have knowledge of the role
I would have been more inclined to believe just a straight up vengeful, but the "list of names of who sent incorrect information" feels too OP for it to be a town role
I also agree with Dwlee that you should have baited a blow up on the second defuse instead of threatening us that you would kill us if we didn't send correct info. like this would be a role that's meant to be blown up in a hood but you pushed against that fairly strongly
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:30 pm
by GuiltyLion
HEAL: Bell
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Enchant
I'm not sure about Enchant but I think fairly decent odds he's town and I agree with CSF around saving a strong townread (her) for tomorrow. at the moment I don't want Menalque as an expert
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:43 pm
by GuiltyLion
I'm also thinking that Andante is a level of weaker townread where I'd actually much rather her be the expert than the defuser, like if she's scum she would do more damage as a defuser than as an expert
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:32 pm
by Bell
Oh this is a lot better from GL.
I guess I was wrong. But this is what I meant. More Aggro with conclusions.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:33 pm
by Bell
I still have no idea what’s going on by the way. I took a break today.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:47 pm
by Bell
In post 5005, VP Baltar wrote: In post 5002, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you seriously fucking hint what your role was to someone you thought was scum when you could have let them try to blow you up instead or something
Like bro if you're town why would you not just trade for scum there ahhhh
Got town another defusal didn't I?
Nothing is stopping us from. Limming mistyx scum right now
This is not a good argument when the scum literally control who gets picked.
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:48 pm
by Bell
Their in thread/PT behavior was consistent with their claim though.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:18 am
by VP Baltar
Oh this is song and dance is still happening for another day, alright.
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:20 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5030, GuiltyLion wrote: In post 4863, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if VPB flips scum here...
like GL is never defusing another bomb.[no1 in their right mind would let him defuse another bomb]
I am never defusing a bomb.
If the scum really r doing 4 defusal win condition it would have to be someone extremely townread as the third partner
But we're so close to winning TEEHEEEEEE
ok now that I'm getting to this post in context
if VP flips scum, I personally know it would be safe to defuse another bomb, but I think people without knowledge of my alignment would be smart to play it safe by just not defusing no matter who it is, I think that's just kinda correct from a neutral view. so I would expect probably scum are just gonna throw townies in there and let the experts blow them up and we probably just have to deal with that, it's the cost of letting VP get two defuses
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:21 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5042, VP Baltar wrote: In post 5030, GuiltyLion wrote: In post 4863, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if VPB flips scum here...
like GL is never defusing another bomb.[no1 in their right mind would let him defuse another bomb]
I am never defusing a bomb.
If the scum really r doing 4 defusal win condition it would have to be someone extremely townread as the third partner
ok now that I'm getting to this post in context
if VP flips scum, I personally know it would be safe to defuse another bomb, but I think people without knowledge of my alignment would be smart to play it safe by just not defusing no matter who it is, I think that's just kinda correct from a neutral view. so I would expect probably scum are just gonna throw townies in there and let the experts blow them up and we probably just have to deal with that, it's the cost of letting VP get two defuses
But we're so close to winning TEEHEEEEEE
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:22 am
by Andante
Why is VP so hard to lim yet we happily just had 2 speed lims? oh right… he’s maf
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:24 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5044, Andante wrote:Why is VP so hard to lim yet we happily just had 2 speed lims? oh right… he’s maf
This is infallible logic
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:37 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:58 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5040, Bell wrote:Their in thread/PT behavior was consistent with their claim though.
Why do we think that would be?
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:10 am
by Andante
I'm definitely thinking Pooky is maf. not gonna lie
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:15 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO