In post 5015, Breakfast With Sandy wrote: In post 4970, CarbonFiber wrote: In post 4964, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:In [url=http://www.mafihas%20been%20greedyc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5867573#p5867573]post 4962[/url], CarbonFiber wrote:
This bugs me. I feel like you copied Tammy's reasoning. She has reason to feel that way about me but why would you?
I can go into more detail when I get home. I feel like we've played enough games together now that by mid day 2 I should feel pretty confident you're town. I also feel your read of me has been hedgy. your recent reads list doesn't alleviate that. what flips would solidify your read on me and why?
I think you are unlikely to be scum with Mastin. I'll have to think about Rancid. You derailed their lynch but the way they were appealing to you constantly and you sending them hugs feels like you are unlikely to be scum with them either and it'll help clear my mind.
What will clear your mind? Rancid's flip? Why are you expecting that flip before end of game? Do you think someone has the info about their alignment?
The one time you had to read me, you struggled to get a read although had me as leaning town so I don't know if you expected the same results or better.
Valid or not, my assumption is that reads are more easily formed with greater exposure to someone's play. And I feel like I"m reaching a point where I should have a pretty strong opinion by the end of day 1.
And in fact I did have a strong opinion by the end of day 1. But from your stances and questions it apparently isn't mutual. And I don't understand why. So the lack of mutuality is troubling and I wonder if my strong opinion was premature.
Your read on me is one thing that bugs me about you because I feel like I've been quite obviously town.
So do I. I feel like anyone who actually understands what differentiates my town game from my scum game should have no trouble reading me this game. And I thought that you had such an understanding because if anyone on this site has troubled to meta me you have. Nacho, too, but with him it's mostly experiential meta and the occasional follow-along of a game he isn't playing.
For example, leading a wagon on Rancid and putting this much effort into collaborating with the town. I'm also the most obviously town player from our neighborhood.
Your Rancid wagon did no favors with me. Putting this much effort in has been somewhat targeted and tactical, and I think you would do that no matter what your alignment. I think the way you have gone about it looks town, but not god-tier town which you keep insisting you've reached.
I am not sure why you'd expect to be read as obviously town when you haven't been.
Because you expect me to see you as obviously town. You're not the final judge of your towniness. And you haven't gotten over yourself. you're still expecting me to just...change my read.
I was completely taken aback that some players, including you and Bro, didn't have me solidly town but I'm dealing with it. I'm not haranguing you for not townreading me.
It's like you think you can bludgeon people into townreading you. Maybe that works sometimes with some players. All it does is get my back up.
Most of it D1 has been me and Pie leading the game and later Nacho
That's your opinion. I felt like whether the effect was good or ill, I was a large factor in how day 1 resolved, particularly that it didn't end with Rancid's lynch.
and D2 has been entirely me, you and Tammy trying to get on the same page
No it hasn't. There has been a lot of other stuff going on.
and figuring out where to go from there and Nacho's latest posts pushing everyone towards a Mastin lynch.
But this is key and will probably determine how this game day ends.
You are aware that your meta falls under different categories and some are easier to read as town than others. For example, AA: MFA when you led the lynch on Brian, you were fairly obviously town. I've meta'd you enough that I can catch all of your towngames but I don't know why you wouldn't want me to be certain in a game where you are not obvtown.
I don't care that you aren't certain. I care that you've been undermining me and raising suspicions about me all of day 2 and I really think you ought to take a look at the company you're keeping.
I looked lynchable at least at one point this game day. I'm really surprised there wasn't a stronger push than there was. But some consideration of who took advantage of that, who distanced, and how that impacted other nascent wagons wouldn't be a bad thing no matter what my alignment.
Your hesitation in reading me is one of the things that make me hesitate in reading you as top-tier town which is weird because you are hesitating on me because of
my
read on you.
Aside from "omgwtf you don't have any scumreads" you've done precious little aside from try to get me to vote with you.
