With 14 players alive, it will take 8 votes to lynch or nolynch.
MastinSSK (5): Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV, Yggdra Union, CupcakePanda, Penguin_Alien
Nachomamma8 (2): Red Gyarados, MastinSSK
CupcakePanda (1): The Fox and the Hound
JustSheepUs (1): Titan
Not Voting (5): Nachomamma8, Carbon Fiber, Breakfast With Stalin, AngryPidgeon, magenta_thegreat
Mod Notes:
Please note the deadline!
With 14 players alive, deadline is set for 15 days: (expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)
Because at the time I would have been able to, I wasn't around to be able to. There were windows. One window I tried, and missed thanks to wacky internet. (My connection to other sites was fine. It was to MS.net that I couldn't lock on.) Earlier windows, I was trying to balance rl and this fucking game with my others, choosing here over there.
Who is scum on your wagon then?
Haven't QUITE worked that out, for 100%. Like, Nacho-AP-Mara/Orc-NS/BS feels really good because the connections are there and each individually looks scummy, but I'm not absolutely sure.
In post 4984, Titan wrote:Your posting doesn't really help to clear up your alignment.
All of my posting not focused on getting someone lynched (and even then) has been this?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:00 pm
by MastinSSK
In post 4992, AngryPidgeon wrote:Because there is no point? Nothing I do today has any fucking sway and I -was- voting Nacho until him getting townread dissolved that possibility.
I simply do not see this as a town-AP thought process. No point in doing it? You pursue it anyway and try your damnedest to get it through, not giving up on it, ESPECIALLY when someone who is a strong townread is getting run up.
If I flip town Today, how would your reads change?
If you're expecting there to be a "I have no fucking clue", you'd be wrong. I'd do a hard-reset rather than a soft-reset, the results of which may vary. Players like Tammy, F-16, and pie would all re-enter my spotlight--not necessarily as scumreads, mind you. Just that the hard reset would involve me being absolutely. Abso-fucking-lutely. Sure that they're town, rather than just thinking they are. Because my reads make a lot of assumptions and logical jumps and are based off of very little. I don't have a clear picture of who would be scum, nor should I, since that defeats the whole purpose. I'd have a purpose.
...Might end up giving up and just lynching myself if I couldn't figure things out, of course. But crossing bridges as you come to them, and all that.
Now please actually be town so that you're not a Jake of this game.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:04 pm
by MastinSSK
Never have been so fucking happy to be scumread.
Because I've been fucking pissed off at that tell PA's used.
And explained every fucking time that it is a fucking bullshit tell.
And every fucking time that it wasn't actually a fucking tell.
So fucking happy.
She won't get to use the excuse that "Oh, mastin must have been playing like her scumgame."
Because this is my towngame, through and through, and not some fucking 'off' game. It's my fucking towngame.
No speech need be given.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:06 pm
by Yggdra Union
In post 4950, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo - town as fuck. Would like to see more commentary about the overall game state and his thoughts about the neighborhood from pie.
I've lot a lot of motivation to do anything at all this game until mastin gets lynched. it's taxing to even think about anything else this game while mastin is sitting over there putting up a shitton of noise. I literally just want to do nothing more than get mastin lynched atm and after that happens I'll work from there.
about the neighborhood, I'm p sure everyone in the neighborhood is town but most of the basis for my reads are from the actual game thread. F-16 has been ridiculously transparent in there (even more so than in the actual thread) which I'm almost positive he wouldn't be able to fake after AOT. BRO was also p transparent in there D1 although his activity has understandably dropped off a lot since then. in general I'm not forming reads exclusively from the neighborhood and I'm mostly using it to strategize and bounce ideas back and forth
-Y
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:09 pm
by MastinSSK
In post 4994, penguin_alien wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm going to get an earful about how I can't read mastin, how recognizing her as scum in Resistance and 172 was just happenstance and that I should sit down, shut up, and swallow whatever corrected version of her scum meta mastin wants me to believe.
Not fucking well buying it. Third time's the charm, this is scum-mastin, and so help me if y'all generate another ten pages of content before lynching obv-scum I...will complain bitterly to Tammy all night.
Like, no fucking takebacks, here, PA.
You're town? You quote this post-game.
And admit it.
I was telling you the fucking truth as scum.
And that your tell is fucking bullshit.
Third time really is the fucking charm. For you to be wrong, oh SO fucking wrong. Commit 100% to that tell of yours. That I'm really that obvscum. That I'm scum doing an appeal to emotion. That I'm scum trying to make you think you're less competent than you actually are. That I'm scum who is desperately trying to cover up a legitimate flaw in my scumplay. That I am scum bullying players, especially you right now.
I want to hear those fucking words said officially rather than just implicitly.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:11 pm
by MastinSSK
In post 4998, AngryPidgeon wrote:Hey Mastin, I think PA just sunk your battleship. Is it a scumship though?
Fuck it.
VOTE: AngryPidgeon.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:16 pm
by MastinSSK
In post 5018, Yggdra Union wrote:IT'S REAL CUTE HOW YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS BY CALLING NACHO SCUM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK
Oh, quite aware.
You're even higher up on my list of tears of fucking joy, though. Because PA just came into the game with a misread on me which she'll have to admit to. You? Have had most of the game but have done nothing but tunnelfuck me when I am town.
This must be how Rancid felt. That absolute rage...but the absolute ecstasy of knowing what would happen after the mislynch.
In post 4991, MastinSSK wrote:I'd like to note Brian Skies scumreading AP but not voting there, too. In fact, there's a lot of strange interactions between the three (four if you add in orc), and it's really looking like a scumteam.
this is fucking hilarious given you were calling AP scum this entire game day but you kept not voting him and or looking for excuses to jump off his wagon when you got on it
And I switched to...Nacho who is also strongly on the scumlist. And have considered switching to...Mara/Orc, also strong on the list. And just...switched back onto AP.
Four fucking scumbags, and I've only got one vote. Which has been divided between AP and Nacho. And which doesn't even fucking count in the first place, regardless.
In post 5023, Yggdra Union wrote:look at his posts where he challenges mastin and tell me you can't feel the ~passion~. he can fake it to some extent but it's showed up enough in this game that it points to town Nacho. his recent posting has been even better in that regard. if he can play like this as scum, I'm outright terrified.
(1) Nacho's posting has basically zero passion, (2) and you can go fuck yourself since my posting has been essentially nothing but fucking passion to the point of detrimentation and yet you've fucking scumread me in spite of that.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:29 pm
by MastinSSK
In post 5036, AngryPidgeon wrote:NOW IM POSTING IT TO TRY AND MAKE A CASE FOR YOU. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
The thing "wrong" with me is my town wincon not allowing me to be blinded by being WK'ed.
IVE BEEN GETTING FLAK FOR MY TOWNREAD OF YOU AND IT WAS HUGELY BASED ON YOU
FUCKING ME OVER
IN THAT SCUM GAME BY LURKING LIKE A FUCK.
Coincidentally, Nacho made this same point. About how he got flak for his townread of me, and bluntly demanding why he'd do that as scum.
In post 5037, AngryPidgeon wrote:BUT NO YOU HAVE TO ALIENATE THE ONE FUCKING PERSON WILLING TO STEP UP TO BAT FOR YOU AND NITPICK THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYTHING I DO AND POST BULLSHIT LIKE
"IM HAVING A HARD TIME EXPLAINING MY AP READ THIS GAME" INTERMIITENTLY.
Yes. Because while I want you to be town, oh so badly, it's not what I'm reading. I'll fully admit that there's some bias in there. But every reset I do. Every time I take another look. I still see scum.
In post 5041, Yggdra Union wrote:so you'd back the fuck down as scum. what did you do here? back the fuck down and never poke at him again. makes sense
What the fuck?
NO I FUCKING DIDN'T. YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CASE AGAINST ME WAS THAT I DIDN'T FUCKING BACK DOWN. That is literally. FUCKING LITERAL GOD-DAMNED TO THE WORD. Your fucking case. (And Nacho's, for that matter.) That I didn't back down. I have been going out of my fucking way to point out exactly why I haven't back down, and also made it really fucking clear exactly what a scum me would do being a backing down.
I don't buy your "noise is detrimental to scum" bullshit and it makes sense you'd say that in order to detract attention from what you're trying to do
Fuck you, you little shithead. TRhat psiot hwas made with me being as pure as I fucking can be you absolute asshole. I meant every fiucking weord of it.,
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:32 pm
by MastinSSK
And no, that's not drunkposting or tiredposting. That is rageposting so much that my head turned red and my hands typed at the actual speed of my brain, shaking violently.
You can call me scum all you fucking want. I'm fine with that. You're wrong, oh so fucking seriously wrong. But that's you.
But I would ne ver fucking lie aborur theory in agame.
NEVER.
'FUicking.
EVER.
Like aborutr ggodsm aed feur in a game.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:41 pm
by MastinSSK
I still can't type that coherently.
I'm caught up for the moment.
There really should be more diplomatic words in my head.
But none come to mind.
Not after that.
It might not be classified as a personal attack, but that is how I feel.
Call me scum manipulating. All you'd like. Call me scum for something that I actually know to have truth. All you'd like. Heck. Call me scum for invalid reasons, just to see me laugh at them.
NEVER.
Scum lying about theory.
I say something about theory, I believe said something. Period.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:44 pm
by MastinSSK
And look. Nearly nine. Six+ hours. Tired, hungry, need to use the bathroom, and really.
Fucking.
Sick.
You know it's bad when your lurker of a hydra partner tells you that you need a break.
Soyeah. I'm probably done for the day.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 4:47 pm
by CarbonFiber
Mastin, chill out. I don't think Pie meant to say you were being unethical in any way. I can buy that you genuinely feel that way although I don't see it as alignment indicative.
This bugs me. I feel like you copied Tammy's reasoning. She has reason to feel that way about me but why would you?
I can go into more detail when I get home. I feel like we've played enough games together now that by mid day 2 I should feel pretty confident you're town. I also feel your read of me has been hedgy. your recent reads list doesn't alleviate that. what flips would solidify your read on me and why?
I think you are unlikely to be scum with Mastin. I'll have to think about Rancid. You derailed their lynch but the way they were appealing to you constantly and you sending them hugs feels like you are unlikely to be scum with them either and it'll help clear my mind.
What will clear your mind? Rancid's flip? Why are you expecting that flip before end of game? Do you think someone has the info about their alignment?
The one time you had to read me, you struggled to get a read although had me as leaning town so I don't know if you expected the same results or better.
Valid or not, my assumption is that reads are more easily formed with greater exposure to someone's play. And I feel like I"m reaching a point where I should have a pretty strong opinion by the end of day 1.
And in fact I did have a strong opinion by the end of day 1. But from your stances and questions it apparently isn't mutual. And I don't understand why. So the lack of mutuality is troubling and I wonder if my strong opinion was premature.
Your read on me is one thing that bugs me about you because I feel like I've been quite obviously town.
So do I. I feel like anyone who actually understands what differentiates my town game from my scum game should have no trouble reading me this game. And I thought that you had such an understanding because if anyone on this site has troubled to meta me you have. Nacho, too, but with him it's mostly experiential meta and the occasional follow-along of a game he isn't playing.
For example, leading a wagon on Rancid and putting this much effort into collaborating with the town. I'm also the most obviously town player from our neighborhood.
Your Rancid wagon did no favors with me. Putting this much effort in has been somewhat targeted and tactical, and I think you would do that no matter what your alignment. I think the way you have gone about it looks town, but not god-tier town which you keep insisting you've reached.
I am not sure why you'd expect to be read as obviously town when you haven't been.
Because you expect me to see you as obviously town. You're not the final judge of your towniness. And you haven't gotten over yourself. you're still expecting me to just...change my read.
I was completely taken aback that some players, including you and Bro, didn't have me solidly town but I'm dealing with it. I'm not haranguing you for not townreading me.
It's like you think you can bludgeon people into townreading you. Maybe that works sometimes with some players. All it does is get my back up.
Most of it D1 has been me and Pie leading the game and later Nacho
That's your opinion. I felt like whether the effect was good or ill, I was a large factor in how day 1 resolved, particularly that it didn't end with Rancid's lynch.
and D2 has been entirely me, you and Tammy trying to get on the same page
No it hasn't. There has been a lot of other stuff going on.
and figuring out where to go from there and Nacho's latest posts pushing everyone towards a Mastin lynch.
But this is key and will probably determine how this game day ends.
You are aware that your meta falls under different categories and some are easier to read as town than others. For example, AA: MFA when you led the lynch on Brian, you were fairly obviously town. I've meta'd you enough that I can catch all of your towngames but I don't know why you wouldn't want me to be certain in a game where you are not obvtown.
I don't care that you aren't certain. I care that you've been undermining me and raising suspicions about me all of day 2 and I really think you ought to take a look at the company you're keeping.
I looked lynchable at least at one point this game day. I'm really surprised there wasn't a stronger push than there was. But some consideration of who took advantage of that, who distanced, and how that impacted other nascent wagons wouldn't be a bad thing no matter what my alignment.
Your hesitation in reading me is one of the things that make me hesitate in reading you as top-tier town which is weird because you are hesitating on me because of
my
read on you.
Aside from "omgwtf you don't have any scumreads" you've done precious little aside from try to get me to vote with you.
I'll respond to this in points:
1) I don't know if Rancid will flip before the end of the game. But I hope they will and I think they will. It would be a bit scum-sided to not let us know if we are in LYLO (I think it happened in a Bork game before though) or to hide their flip for good. I wonder if whoever killed them knows about it, or if there is a role that can access the flips (CSI agent? I definitely played games offsite with roles that can find out janitored flips), or as Nacho put forth, that the role is a scum role revealed upon Mastin's flip. I don't know how but I hope in some way, we find out.
2) Why I didn't have a strong opinion that you are town: for one, your defense of RBD and calling both of us town-town felt off. I counterclaimed them and was leading a lynch on them which sort of ticked me off. Your reads didn't make sense until I saw your latest one which aligns with my thoughts pretty closely and makes me feel a lot better. When you wonder if your strong opinion was premature, you are basically saying that I should townread you or you will re-evaluate which you said isn't what you are doing.
3) I think you are town but not 100% obvtown. That's what I gather from all the meta I have on you. I have you as borderline "will bank the game on you town" vs "weaker townread" and you are pretty much in the middle. So, you are nowhere close to being a "null" read or someone I can't get a read on (or borderline between town/scum like Clyton was). My read on you wasn't this strong before your posted your latest reads-list which actually helped me see your stances a lot more clearly. Your read on me was pretty much the only thing that bugged me.
4) I don't lead lynches as scum in the manner in which I pushed Rancid. I don't because it doesn't serve my wincon when I am scum. You don't either. You know that that is a difference in your town and scum play and you don't try to fix it because burning your town meta to the ground and playing exactly like you would as town might hinder a scum agenda. I think you said it after that newbie game that I watched where you fooled Cabd. Anyways, if I were scum, I probably wouldn't have flipped out at Nacho for derailing the Rancid lynch and those are the kind of things I can't fake even if I am fully aware of them.
5) I disagree that you were as large a factor in how D1 resolved as much as me or Pie (Nacho derailed the Rancid lynch) but I am not saying that makes you scum. I'm saying if you had been, then I'd have read you as obvtown without reservations. As of now, I read you as just town.
6) I disagree that I've been undermining you in any way. In fact, I felt that you have been. I recall you saying something like "F-16 is bitching about a compromise lynch" on D1, I can go find the quote if you want. I also recall you in general undermining my reads. I'm trying to work through all that and still see that you could do it as town but it is been a frustrating endeavor that I needed to get through when you make posts like that.
7) I've done a lot to get you to vote Mastin or Rancid yesterday. I pulled every card in the book and tried to snag those votes and I rarely tunnel as hard as I did. If it wasn't the reigning Don Corleone of the site that I was tunneling, I feel pretty sure, I'd have gotten them lynched D1. I only stepped back D2 because I wanted to get on the same page as everyone else and help build a more cohesive town and bounce thoughts off of other players which I have been doing with you, Tammy, Brian, PV, and in the neighborhood with Pie, Desp, and Nacho.
Edit: I misinterpreted the last point. I thought you were saying that I wasn't trying hard enough to get your vote on my scumreads but it turns out you are saying I am trying too hard which isn't a bad thing. But you say it is to the exclusion of everything else which isn't true. I probably spent more time delivering productive content into the thread, providing reads, questioning players, mediating, maybe leading lynches on scum (we'll have to see after Rancid flips), and most of all collaborating with other players and bouncing thoughts off of them so I disagree with almost everything you are saying.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:03 pm
by Breakfast With Sandy
In post 5064, CarbonFiber wrote:
Edit: I misinterpreted the last point. I thought you were saying that I wasn't trying hard enough to get your vote on my scumreads but it turns out you are saying I am trying too hard which isn't a bad thing. But you say it is to the exclusion of everything else which isn't true. I probably spent more time delivering productive content into the thread, providing reads, questioning players, mediating, maybe leading lynches on scum (we'll have to see after Rancid flips), and most of all collaborating with other players and bouncing thoughts off of them so I disagree with almost everything you are saying.
You wanted to know why my town read of you isn't as strong as I thought it would be today - after day 1. It was pretty damn strong day 1 despite our Rancid read difference.
It isn't to the exclusion of everything else. I dunno. I am probably not valuing some of what you're putting effort into the same way you value it. Some of your efforts to explain people to each other strike me as overdone and even counterproductive. People form better reads through interacting and working through differences and you jumping in to explain their positions to each othere when your townreads disagree could delay or derail a more natural process of working through differences.
This convo is an example of what I mean when I said I feel like you've try to bludgeon me into agreeing with you.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:27 pm
by CarbonFiber
I agree that people form better reads through interactions and I actually value it. I generally mediate disputes only if I feel it has gotten out of hand or counterproductive or if someone asks my opinion on the player they are interacting with barring one or two exceptions. That's when I think it is best.
I am not trying to "bludgeon you" into agreeing with me. No idea where you get that from. I felt like you were trying to undermine my efforts D1 in securing a lynch. For instance, with the "bitching about compromise lynches" line instead of telling me that you disagree with a Rancid lynch but would compromise on Mastin so let's work together on securing that lynch instead of just letting the wagon build up and then voting anyone and everyone to save Rancid. I get that you gave reasons for it that I can see coming from town and that's partly why I am reading you as town but I feel like it could have been better and that's why I wasn't as sure of you being town.
In post 4994, penguin_alien wrote:I'm pretty sure I'm going to get an earful about how I can't read mastin, how recognizing her as scum in Resistance and 172 was just happenstance and that I should sit down, shut up, and swallow whatever corrected version of her scum meta mastin wants me to believe.
Not fucking well buying it. Third time's the charm, this is scum-mastin, and so help me if y'all generate another ten pages of content before lynching obv-scum I...will complain bitterly to Tammy all night.
Like, no fucking takebacks, here, PA.
You're town? You quote this post-game.
And admit it.
I was telling you the fucking truth as scum.
And that your tell is fucking bullshit.
Third time really is the fucking charm. For you to be wrong, oh SO fucking wrong. Commit 100% to that tell of yours. That I'm really that obvscum. That I'm scum doing an appeal to emotion. That I'm scum trying to make you think you're less competent than you actually are. That I'm scum who is desperately trying to cover up a legitimate flaw in my scumplay. That I am scum bullying players, especially you right now.
I want to hear those fucking words said officially rather than just implicitly.
Oh, I don't feel bossed around now at *all* here. Wait...
(And I never said you were bullying anyone; that's a word choice I'd take seriously. Although I think this:
In post 5058, MastinSSK wrote:and you can go fuck yourself since my posting has been essentially nothing but fucking passion to the point of detrimentation and yet you've fucking scumread me in spite of that.
and this:
In post 5059, MastinSSK wrote:Fuck you, you little shithead. TRhat psiot hwas made with me being as pure as I fucking can be you absolute asshole. I meant every fiucking weord of it.,
mosey on across the line from bossy to intimidation.)
Sure, I'll put it out there. You couldn't be more obvscum to me if you took out a billboard in Times Square to show off your scum role PM.
You fall back on emotion when you're being pressured and lack cogent arguments, and while I'm still working on not being suckered in by people playing on my positive emotions, I've made a hell of a lot of progress in not being made to feel guilty by other people remonstrating me for scum reading them. More relevant to my read on you, you use emotion to try to make people feel like they should be falling in line with your opinions,
even
especially when they're unsubstantiated.
I know for a fact that you think I'm a mediocre town player at best, as you've made clear in several scum QTs, and an easy mislynch/pawn at worst. So yes, I'm utterly not shocked that you'd try to make me doubt my ability to read you, past experience to the contrary. Don't document opinions you don't want to be called out on--I read scum QTs from most of my completed games, and so I know exactly how you continue to think I'm the next best thing to a VI.
I never said that you were trying desperately to cover up a flaw in your scum play, mostly because it's quite clearly not covered up here.
In post 5053, MastinSSK wrote:Never have been so fucking happy to be scumread.
Because I've been fucking pissed off at that tell PA's used.
And explained every fucking time that it is a fucking bullshit tell.
And every fucking time that it wasn't actually a fucking tell.
You missed a line: 'And every fucking time PA was right that I fucking well was scum, damn it.'
Also, I'm sorry that my perception of your scum game doesn't match your own view. It doesn't make that perception invalid. You don't get to dictate what thoughts of mine are allowed and which ones aren't, and you don't get to make me ashamed of how I arrive at my conclusions.
Detailed explanation of why this is mastin-scum incoming.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:36 pm
by Breakfast With Sandy
In post 5066, CarbonFiber wrote:I agree that people form better reads through interactions and I actually value it. I generally mediate disputes only if I feel it has gotten out of hand or counterproductive or if someone asks my opinion on the player they are interacting with barring one or two exceptions. That's when I think it is best.
I am not trying to "bludgeon you" into agreeing with me. No idea where you get that from. I felt like you were trying to undermine my efforts D1 in securing a lynch. For instance, with the "bitching about compromise lynches" line instead of telling me that you disagree with a Rancid lynch but would compromise on Mastin so let's work together on securing that lynch instead of just letting the wagon build up and then voting anyone and everyone to save Rancid. I get that you gave reasons for it that I can see coming from town and that's partly why I am reading you as town but I feel like it could have been better and that's why I wasn't as sure of you being town.
I get that from your reaction to being apparently not town read strongly enough.
Somewhere in the last 2-3 pages I think I saw that you are thinking about whether AP or Mastin would be a better lynch today. What are your thoughts about that?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:47 pm
by CarbonFiber
@ Ffery, regarding AP or Mastin lynch, I am still divided. Mastin is the stronger scumread but I can't see AP-town, Mastin-scum at all. It just doesn't make any sort of sense. But, I also want to follow Penguin even though she just joined in because she is certain about Mastin being scum. I see Pieguy's certainty about Mastin being scum. I see BRO's meltdown yelling that Mastin is scum from amongst all that. I see Nacho's certainty that Mastin is scum. I feel like this should happen and I don't want to disrupt what is a great wagon that has taken days and weeks of effort and collaboration from the town to form. I don't know. If I feel confident that I could divert all the votes to AP and assure his lynch without risking a good wagon falling apart, I'd do it. I'd rather not. What are you thinking?
@ Penguin, looking forward to hearing your case. I'd also like to see where you are at with the rest of your reads. Have you and Tammy discussed BRO's meltdown post yet? I was hoping to hear your thoughts on that too whenever you are caught up and get around to it.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:56 pm
by Breakfast With Sandy
Does BRO still lean town on AP?
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 8:58 pm
by CarbonFiber
Last I heard in the neighborhood, yeah. But I don't know how certain he is considering he said during that wall that he hesitates on scumreading people he likes that may have screwed up his AP read. I'll ask him for an updated read.
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:03 pm
by Red Gyarados
I found a lot of the previous pages rather underwhelming and I don't have an opinion about Tammy's breakdown on Canada replacing all their drunk-posters with square-dancers. I also had no idea Bro even had a breakdown this game. So that's news to me.
We have also passed 200 pages. Can we lynch someone before we hit 300?
In post 4970, CarbonFiber wrote:For example, AA: MFA when you led the lynch on Brian, you were fairly obviously town.
Can we not talk about that game?
In post 4971, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Starting on 175 with a bunch of temporally scattered thoughts thrown in all about, 'cause hell if I know when anything happened at this point.
I find it a little funny that you stopped your catch-up on the same page I stopped one of my catch-ups.
In post 4971, The Fox and the Hound wrote:His references to NS seem real enough for me, but I'm confused as to why NS wasn't posting anything himself even when he was apparently more around than he is now.
I haven't talked to Notty in ages. Apparently he's been sick and I wasn't told about this.
In post 4971, The Fox and the Hound wrote:This isn't really how you should look at things like this, and seems like an “I skimmed this” way of coming up with a solution to it.
That's because I skimmed it.
In post 4971, The Fox and the Hound wrote:Pie's case was presented pretty succinctly. I'd like to hear you give a more careful response to 3695. It's not like there is a big wall here that is difficult to muddle through, and it feels a little bit like trying to avoid giving an opinion.
In post 4705, Brian Skies wrote:Regarding their slow start, they lacked transparency in the thread and may or may not have been almost entirely hidden in the neighborhood. I wouldn't call being voted at that point in time for lack of presence/transparency to be unfair. I also didn't like Bro suddenly perking his head up when AP came into the thread and townreading AP for doing something EXACTLY the same way he did in another game (and this was something I was in complete agreement with RBD early on). The frustration at getting suspected for supposedly "townreading AP correctly" also pinged me in a bad way.
In post 4705, Brian Skies wrote:It's hard to go back and point a lot of it out because it requires effort I'm not interested in putting into this game (and I don't remember a lot of Day 1). But to summarize, I greatly disliked Mastin's initial post against you for supposedly 'rage-posting.' It didn't look that way at all. I thought there was some merit to you trying to buddy up to Tammy. I also agreed with RBD about Bro's initial townread on AP being halfassed and bad. I also didn't like the lack of transparency from JSU early on and suddenly perking up when AP came around (apparently there was a neighborhood). I also shared the same sentiments about the Fox being skeevy for just pushing people and wondering why they weren't being townread by a lot of players early on when they haven't really contributed much up to that point. For the most part, I was reading Day 1 pretty loosely, skipping/skimming posts, and just picking sides and running with them.
Also, you were being scumread by at least one of them (while the other just backed up the attack), so there's completely different perspectives between us (with me having an outsider POV).
It's not really as simple as "I was in lockstep with this person" because I don't function that way. Reads are complicated.
In post 4705, Brian Skies wrote:His walls are largely just him marking down whenever somebody's read changes and making an opinion on it (as well as whatever thoughts he has about the slot). He hasn't done anything since the first 5 isos and I don't really know what he's been up to recently (probably having a life, chasing girls, trying not to fail classes, milking me for all I'm worth). I've just been on autopilot. And I've been handwaving his walls for now because my opinions on trajectories is that there's a lot more to read progression than just looking at where somebody's read changes and for me to go back and look at each trajectory would require me to reread Day 1, which is something I've been dreading for a while now.
I've also been basically summarizing his thoughts in my recent walls. And I think you just want the main points anyways.
Do you think my reads are more likely to be nice and pretty and fleshed out if I were town or scum?
In post 4972, MastinSSK wrote:The aim of a scum me is to get a scum win as fast as possible. Generally, this involves minimal bussing, and also minimal spotlight on scum players. I may distance or even bus-vote a scum player (it's become a necessity with people wising up to my no-bussing meta), but I avoid making a spectacle out of it, because spectacles draw very-much-unwanted attention. I suppose you could sum it up with a single sentence:
The main driving factor of a scum Mastin is to place town players (not scum players) in the spotlight.
Why does this sound like the way I play scum?
In post 4972, MastinSSK wrote:I'm not saying it's impossible to run up a scum-me. I AM saying that (assuming I have the time to plan and execute a plan--which this game, I most certainfuckingly have) when a scuMastin is run up, it is done with design and intent. For instance, in Attack on Titan, I was the least-valuable scum player. I set things up so that ideally, we'd have a perfect win...but ALSO so that IF a scum player were to die, it'd be me...
...AND that it wouldn't incriminate either of my scumbuddies. My reads, their design, their whole orchestration (because my play as scum is a fucking artform), was such that I had painted a highly-favorable picture for the scumteam of that game.
And then I accidentally hammered you. And then I replaced out. And then my replacement won town the game.
Don't you love random unexpected variables?
In post 4976, MastinSSK wrote:What about this is something that Brian Skies wouldn't do as scum?
No idea. I could give you several reasons why this is my town game but that would take the fun out of it and I'd have to readjust my meta again.
In post 4984, Titan wrote:Regarding the neighborhood and why des frustrated me so much last night. Apparently they're towning it up in the neighborhood and raising concerns there but not doing anything here and we're all just supposed to buy they're town from it. I think neighborhoods are wonderful and can really help people get reads on each other, but when you are in a neighborhood, you can focus on manipulating those people in the neighborhood. Your "mist" can be directed in a way it can't in the game thread because you're focusing on manipulating just a small set of people and when you're not posting in the thread it raises alarms. IF they're keeping up with the game, even if it's just to say that they're falling behind, why not post in the game too? Why stay in hiding. I can't see the obvtown towniness being displayed in the neighborhood and when it's not in the game thread too I'm not going to just buy it. You can get awesome reads in the neighborhood. In NY146, I realized that MOI was trying to manipulate me in the neighborhood in a way that pushed me towards the proper decision in lylo. Without that neighborhood and seeing his behavior in that context, I might have gotten it wrong. In The Wire, I was able to get a good town read on DV based on the way he claimed to us, and we made a pretty decent town case on him that unfortunately wasn't followed after we died, but DV was also posting in the game so we weren't like "take our words he's town". Incidentally I also claimed pretty early in that neighborhood even though I wasn't convinced of either DV or Kuribo being town at the time. /
And here, the inactivity in my neighborhood was matched by inactivity in the game thread. Neither of us are keeping things out of thread while being active in the neighborhood. Penguin and I have talked a little bit more since she replaced in but it's mostly been me giving her an update of the game and asking her to read a couple people and tell me what she thinks, and she's a bit paranoid (or acting paranoid >_>) because this is her fourth neighborhood this year and in each one of her neighborhoods there's been scum who've been able to manipulate her in that way. And in this one both falcon and nacho should understand where I'm coming from that people can manipulate people in neighborhoods, not only from Viscon but from Wicked as well as both nacho and falcon were able to manipulate people in the neighborhood and then that was used as a means of getting them town read by people who were suspicious of them beforehand.
I know exactly how you feel Tammy. And I share these feelings with you because I did hide in my neighborhood with Desp in Viscon: Crossroads and tried to manipulate him to some degree. And if I can do it, other people can do it as well.
Why am I the doubt factor? And I love how I'm in your proposed scum-team even though I've been championing the wagon you're sitting on since who knows when.
In post 4991, MastinSSK wrote:I'd like to note Brian Skies scumreading AP but not voting there, too. In fact, there's a lot of strange interactions between the three (four if you add in orc), and it's really looking like a scumteam.
You know. Games where I was in control basically the whole fucking time. And again, what they all had in common? Is that I had zero to give the town, always working in the background to coordinate their downfall.
