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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:16 pm
by tenebrousluminary
I don't even disagree that it likely contains scum, but that's just because I independently distrust those players. Artificially narrowing our search does not appear beneficial. I believe we mathematically are more likely to hit scum if we ignore the neighborhood if you treat 0, 1 and 2 scum as equally likely possibilities. 3 I admit would be quite unusual.

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:22 pm
by Enchant
It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:13 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5016, tenebrousluminary wrote:I wonder if scum will even lose a member this game. It feels unlikely. :(
Hey, get it together. We can do this. Like I said, all we need to do as town is find each other today and block up. There's a lot of distrust between town this game, and I think that is what has led between such hard divisions.

It's a bummer that yeet died because I was syncing up with him yesterday, but I am willing to take some risks on town reads today to get us out of this mess.

Right now, I think fire, cape, April, Titus are all probably town. You might be as well. Math obviously, but I doubt he is going to come around and be useful today. We can PoE scum here if we are smart.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:18 am
by VP Baltar
I'm still catching up, but one thing I want to address to math (and I know this is pointless given the audience, but anyhow) is the traitor thing.

Yes, that role PM says that. It doesn't guarantee a traitor in the setup. Maybe it is true, but that is almost always a thing you'd consider late game. We don't have evidence yet really. And I think fire has also talked about the role PM. From my perspective, the odds that Yeet hit a traitor or the person who performed the N1 kill are much lower than the odds that galron is just town here. Not saying he can't be those things, but playing odds is important in mafia, and that's how I would think about it.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:27 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5023, Titus wrote:If Galron was scum, then killing yeet leaves other PRs alive and suggests Galron is town because scum only shoot yeet to fear his results.
This is a good point by Titus I think. Scum had to shoot yeet for fear of getting caught. If Galron was scum, that probably doesn't happen. Or at least is less likely to happen.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:32 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5048, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5046, tenebrousluminary wrote:As a Mason you do get more say than the rest of us but that does not make you king.
You’re right I do get more say
And that has been fucking ignored all game
Lol ok.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:37 am
by VP Baltar
Math, people are ignoring you because your solve is hare-brained and full of spec and then you call people scum for not agreeing with you.

I'm in the same boat as you that I can't really get sway toward my solve, but you can't burn every bridge and just insist you're right because you are a mason.

If you want to have an honest conversation, I'm here, but I will largely ignore you if this is going to be your approach to the game. There have been several listed reasons why galron is more likely town than scum. There have been stated reasons why I'm more likely town than scum. Yeet and HEM, two confirmed towns, both seemed to be town reading me at their time of death, further making it unlikely someone like me would want them dead.

Try to work with people here please. I don't think your solve or plan to get there is anywhere remotely near correct.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:39 am
by Enchant
I don't remember Yeet really claiming anything.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:45 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
Who did you target?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:46 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5082, Enchant wrote:I don't remember Yeet really claiming anything.
Yeet softed info on galron pointing to town, and then he flipped town investigative.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:47 am
by VP Baltar
UNVOTE:
VOTE: eyes

For the town bloc power to turn this thing around.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:48 am
by Enchant
In post 5083, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
Who did you target?
Galron.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:54 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5086, Enchant wrote:
In post 5083, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
Who did you target?
Galron.
Sigh. I am struggling to see how you're town.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:56 am
by Enchant
In post 5087, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5086, Enchant wrote:
In post 5083, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
Who did you target?
Galron.
Sigh. I am struggling to see how you're town.
Like lying i did target someone else is too hard. I mostly followed mason mind.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:04 am
by Scorpious
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
I'd be okay with you..

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:05 am
by VP Baltar
One thing that I did think about overnight is I would think we would have a protective if a scum RB and a vig are in play. We clearly do not (or that person has a lot of explaining to do). I don't really want to do anything with this thought right now, but making it public so someone can explain to me why I'm wrong there.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:09 am
by Enchant
In post 5089, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
I'd be okay with you..
Ok you can start dayvigging me.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:21 am
by Galron
In post 4987, tenebrousluminary wrote:It's suspicious that the neighborhood is even still in use given how much everyone in it hates each other.
I wouldn't say people hate each other in there. Nero and VPB were sussing each other hard but it wasn't until recently that Baltar actually called Nero scum while Nero hasn't been shy about it.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:29 am
by VP Baltar
In post 5092, Galron wrote:
In post 4987, tenebrousluminary wrote:It's suspicious that the neighborhood is even still in use given how much everyone in it hates each other.
I wouldn't say people hate each other in there. Nero and VPB were sussing each other hard but it wasn't until recently that Baltar actually called Nero scum while Nero hasn't been shy about it.
This is accurate from my pov. I think I've tried to give Nero many chances to prove his towniness after he very clearly went on the offensive in the neighborhood D1 by outting it publicly and attacking myself (conf town to me) and galron (likely town based on yeet) with no real evidence other than setup speculation. I gave him the benefit of the doubt he was just bad town, but now with the yeet info and cape looking more town, it is hard for me to conclude anything but Nero is scum.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:46 am
by Scorpious
In post 5091, Enchant wrote:
In post 5089, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
I'd be okay with you..
Ok you can start dayvigging me.
VT's can't do that

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:49 am
by Enchant
In post 5094, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5091, Enchant wrote:
In post 5089, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
I'd be okay with you..
Ok you can start dayvigging me.
VT's can't do that
Yes, peasant.

You can't do shit to me. Unless you... Uh. Vote me.
Then yeah, perhaps.

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:52 am
by Scorpious
In post 5095, Enchant wrote:
In post 5094, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5091, Enchant wrote:
In post 5089, Scorpious wrote:
In post 5076, Enchant wrote:It's like shoting with rubber bullets.

So, who we killing today?
I'd be okay with you..
Ok you can start dayvigging me.
VT's can't do that
Yes, peasant.

You can't do shit to me. Unless you... Uh. Vote me.
Then yeah, perhaps.
fair

VOTE: Enchant

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:52 am
by fireisredsir
VP you're feeling kinda slimy here tbh i don't think you belong in the townbloc

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:53 am
by Enchant
^ Mafiaclaim (Not Fire)

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:53 am
by Enchant
Wtf pagetop now it looks strange.