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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:00 pm
by Sakura Hana
While i like that you think that way, im one of the people on site who actually values RC's reads a lot and im one of the first to sheep him when he's trying to game solve because i know he's a good scumhunter if everyone that doesnt see what he does doesnt get in his way just because it's RC. RC came from being a player that could hardly explain his reads and now that he can he's a pretty strong player, but you need a strong player to take leadership and strongarm lynches sometimes or you wont catch scum. I know that i probably would've never caught HH if it wasnt for him, heck up until OS scum claimed i still thought OS was barely scum here but i told RC to go with his gut.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:01 pm
by Sailor Senshi
In post 4196, Tana and Ephraim wrote:I played a game to win. I had an incorrect scumread, and I lynched that incorrect scumread. And was wrong. That's mafia. That's life.
I reconsidered several times, including once on confirmed scum and almost certainly at least a few more times on other scum.
You assert that I ruined the game for her. I don't deny that it's possible that I made her experience worse by tunneling her.
But I never attacked her behind the screen. I said multiple times I was really sorry if she was town. I explained why I felt the way I did, even if it took until twilight.
You're acting like I did something wrong and I invite you to explain exactly what it is that I did wrong that doesn't boil down to being wrong on someone who took it badly.
^Titus, he did take responsibility.
SS Venus
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:01 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
In post 5125, Sakura Hana wrote:
While i like that you think that way, im one of the people on site who actually values RC's reads a lot and im one of the first to sheep him when he's trying to game solve because i know he's a good scumhunter if everyone that doesnt see what he does doesnt get in his way just because it's RC. RC came from being a player that could hardly explain his reads and now that he can he's a pretty strong player, but you need a strong player to take leadership and strongarm lynches sometimes or you wont catch scum. I know that i probably would've never caught HH if it wasnt for him, heck up until OS scum claimed i still thought OS was barely scum here but i told RC to go with his gut.
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:05 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
Like RC, Katsuki and zmuffin are some of the people i will sheep unless i scumread because i know they are better than me most of the time, so sheeping them is most likely to help me lynch scum than trusting my own reads.
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:05 pm
by Cafe Stile
Dont be that tense about it tana jesus
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:07 pm
by Titus
@Tana,
No one is doubting RC is usually good. It's his inability to pass credit, his asshole type behavior, and his inability to accept flaws that cut into him being perceived with the skill he has.
I went out of my way to work with you both this game, and LLD.
You know who bullied me, threatened me and voted me despite me blocking scum?
I admit I wasn't perfect (I scumreason masons a lot). But RC wouldn't have to strong arm lunches if he learned how to treat people like you do.
@Venus, Look at his actual words. He's not saying lynching LE was wrong, but she merely happened to be town.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:07 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
when did I
ever
vote you this game or call you anything besides town?
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:08 pm
by Titus
There's a reason I want LLD to catch up. She, not RC, is the town I find most helpful.
Good night.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:09 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
also: I was wrong on the read, sure. but I wasn't
wrong
for lynching LE in the way that Shadoweh implied that I was. it wasn't a shitty person move. it was a bad read.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:10 pm
by Titus
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:11 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
I freaked out because of pressure put on me and abuse directed at me and had a minibreakdown and had to rebuild. I very quickly figured out you were town again.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:11 pm
by Cafe Stile
It was really insulting to be told you’re not good enough to have good reads and be confident about it without tmi
Please for the love of god dont do that to anyone else
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
That happened when i told RC that GIF doesnt put a town vig and a scum redirector on the same game, which made pops, his strongest SR, town by claim, as scummy as the role was (or you guys portrayed it to be), and i still think that pops was very towny this game.
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:13 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
And look, pops did redirect scum to themselves too!
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:15 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
I dont understand why pops needed to be vigged over someone like DDL, or Dann. I understand not vigging HH because you guys thought HH was dying anyway.
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:15 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
someone
had
to be scum bussing and you read more like TMI than anyone else. It's not personal, the way I pushed it was hyperbole to help me make the push.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:16 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
In post 5136, Cafe Stile wrote:It was really insulting to be told you’re not good enough to have good reads and be confident about it without tmi
Please for the love of god dont do that to anyone else
One time i scumread someone (correctly) for townreading town!me and scumreading scum!croag out of literally thin air. And I was correct and the town proceeded to never lynch them.
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:17 pm
by Titus
I agree with pops's play.
I agree with your position if one vig.
We had two which I figured GiF might be ok with. I would be a counter to pops.
With two vigs, I felt we couldn't take the chance. I knew there was a chance I was wrong. I don't regret the shot.
You were right. I take responsibility for the shot. I'd still repeat it.
I would make that shot anytime as a vig. It's too valuable.
You were right. I feel sorry for pops.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:19 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
Let's just say, we've all made mistakes this game (except scum, coz they need to "make mistakes" to win), but dumping all responsibility for mistakes onto RC is unfair.
-Tana
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:19 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
In post 5142, Titus wrote:With two vigs, I felt we couldn't take the chance. I knew there was a chance I was wrong. I don't regret the shot.
You were right. I take responsibility for the shot. I'd still repeat it.
I would make that shot anytime as a vig. It's too valuable.
You were right. I feel sorry for pops.
Wait, so I'm terrible for not regretting my D1 mislynch but you're not terrible for not regretting your misvig? @_@
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:22 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
titus you really need to realize how hypocritical your treatment of me is.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:24 pm
by Titus
In post 5143, Tana and Ephraim wrote:Let's just say, we've all made mistakes this game (except scum, coz they need to "make mistakes" to win), but dumping all responsibility for mistakes onto RC is unfair.
-Tana
If he wants all the credit, he can take all the blame.
Also, RC, I took responsibility for being wrong on LLD. That was a wrong read.
Strategy and protecting conftown meant Pops had to die if there was a 5% chance of Pops being scum. If pops was scum, more town die. Pops could possess me or gameplay nightly.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:26 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
but i didn't get any of the credit, did i? if you honestly gave me credit for my role bringing down HH and for my scumread on CW from very early on we wouldn't be having this conversation
you can hold my mistakes against me if you give me appropriate credit for my successes.
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:28 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
i get all the blame for my mistakes but none of the credit for my successes
Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:33 pm
by Tana and Ephraim
Btw tomorrow we should be looking at this more seriously
And possibly also double check the final VC of day 1 again.
Also check who voted for HH when we didnt know RCE was hammered.
-Tana
