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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:26 pm
by midwaybear
My point still stands.
My own plan allows for no doubt.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:28 pm
by Alisae
I think there's something you're forgetting though

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:29 pm
by midwaybear
I feel like you are going to say...
the case that I am scum? Or is there something else

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:37 pm
by Alisae
If I no killed to make Pooky's save on me that I knew he would claim real, then
A. It would be a better play to just kill Tammy. Tammy dieing makes Pooky look really bad. If there was a successful protect on that slot, it makes me and Pooky look even better.
B. being that mechanically gifted to actually make that play knowing what was going to happen and for that thing I knew was going to happen to actually happen, then if I am scum I got extremely lucky to be in such a good position.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:37 pm
by Alisae
I think if I'm scum I got extremely lucky throughout the whole game in general

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:40 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
he can't even make the case for you being scum. his entire case is basically he wants to X you to get to tomorrow and win. he knows if i die today the last LHF gets removed and he has nowhere to go in f3

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:45 pm
by midwaybear
That is from the perspective that I am scum. However, maybe you should also consider why I am pushing the things that I am pushing as town. It should also check out.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:45 pm
by midwaybear
Along with setup questions, another reason I'm still thinking it's most likely Pooky is just for his terrible tunnel on me.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:46 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I don't even need to defend myself from this nonsense since I am proposing I die.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:48 pm
by Alisae
In post 5131, midwaybear wrote:That is from the perspective that I am scum. However, maybe you should also consider why I am pushing the things that I am pushing as town. It should also check out.
its supposed to check out? How exactly because the kill Pooky to prove he's town means that there was more likely than not a doc save on me and that's more reliable then Tammy's results.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:49 pm
by midwaybear
As I said, you purposefully dying today solely for the purpose of getting me hanged is a throw. I am not mech scum from your perspective, so there is no reason for doing so. "Taking responsibility" for the loss will not erase that fact that you threw.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:50 pm
by Alisae
In post 5133, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't even need to defend myself from this nonsense since I am proposing I die.
Personally, I feel like if you explained more about why I'm town, why Peta is town, and just explain everything to try to get Tammy to trust us. It's probably the best chance of getting Tammy on board as well I think?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:50 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum. so how does insuring that I remove the only other person who could be scum fpov constitute a throw?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm
by Alisae
In post 5135, midwaybear wrote:As I said, you purposefully dying today solely for the purpose of getting me hanged is a throw. I am not mech scum from your perspective, so there is no reason for doing so. "Taking responsibility" for the loss will not erase that fact that you threw.
It makes sense from his perspective because he's working down from his townreads and you're the only thing thats left

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm
by midwaybear
It's not mechanically confirmed.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:51 pm
by midwaybear
In post 5137, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum.
peta could be a godfather and Alisae could have no killed

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:52 pm
by midwaybear
Pooky, if you are really a doc, godfather is very likely in this setup.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:52 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
alisae didnt even know i was going to protect eir

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:53 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 5141, midwaybear wrote:Pooky, if you are really a doc, godfather is very likely in this setup.
yea i know i've been saying you're the gf like all day... that's why I want to 1:1 you here instead of 1:1ing you in F3

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:54 pm
by midwaybear
so why is peta NEVER scum

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:55 pm
by Alisae
If people are really upset that Pooky is throwing, then the other players would have complained.
Tammy has said nothing about Pooky's plan and Peta is fine with it I think?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:55 pm
by petapan
In post 5140, midwaybear wrote:
In post 5137, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:from my POV Peta and Alisae are never scum.
peta could be a godfather and Alisae could have no killed
literally why do i ever no kill here, on any day, why do i not kill pooky last night

anyway if you think it's pooky why not just put up and flip him now?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:56 pm
by midwaybear
In post 5145, Alisae wrote:If people are really upset that Pooky is throwing, then the other players would have complained.
That's because you guys don't know that I am town
Pooky causing us to lose if he is town is definitely a throw

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:57 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
because it makes no sense for him to push a TownLynch on D2 when he needs credibility to survive the vig shot. Scum are pushed into a small POE at that point with 6 masons revealing and a POE-8 - if he knows he's GF and needs to throw out deadweight like Bell/DS why wouldn't he just bus one of them hard instead of pushing Bulge? It's not like they haven't given him plenty of reason to push him. Peta-GF 100% busses there.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:57 pm
by midwaybear
In post 5146, petapan wrote:anyway if you think it's pooky why not just put up and flip him now?
My plan should be winning and things are certain for me. If pooky is town, that puts me in f3 with you and alisae where nothing is certain.