Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[clidd]

I thought at a certain point of going back to interacting with flea, but after seeing posts like ''clidd is scared to talk with me/I'll break him'' I reconsidered the idea

[Chara]

i'm not in the right frame of mind to engage with someone like Flea's profile (and I think fae's scum) so I don't see the motivation to establish a communication channel there

in relation to my apathy, it was a set of things but the apex was the flip of ydrasse

i prefer not to discuss this issue as it is irrelevant to the game and can be dealt with privately afterwards

no problem. thanks.

i skimmed your scumgame, don't know if i got anything good out of it. do you like playing scum?

[clidd]

in my first forum games i liked it, but after not playing as scum for a long time i don't think i can like as much as town

I currently have no idea what my scumgame would be like (I don't have any in 2021)

[clidd]

actually, I had a scumroll on my tm-mafia debut iirc but I ended up freezing in that game so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Flea The Magician]

i'm still leaning town!chara and scum!flea

give me some minutes (I'll look for a scumgame of mine)

Given I'm lock scum to you, there should be no lean. It should be absolute.

[Flea The Magician]

i'm still leaning town!chara and scum!flea

give me some minutes (I'll look for a scumgame of mine)

Given I'm lock scum to you, there should be no lean. It should be absolute.

[clidd]

''lean'' is my way of saying that I'm more inclined to believe that you are scum and chara town, not a contradiction to my previous position

[clidd]

but nice try to look for something in my speech to use against me

demonstrates the mindset that you are coming from

[Flea The Magician]

holy fuck you actually acknowledged me o.o

....


I'm actually stunned o.o

I have a point though, you've been so set, so locked on me being scum to the point you've locked it in and reinforced it so much, there should be no lean for you.

A locked read is absolute, otherwise it's not locked.

[clidd]

ok and?

[Flea The Magician]

This means from your perspective, what you're selling is you and Chara are town, absolutely, there's no debate, there's nothing that can be done to adjust that read.

That you're delaying and not voting says to me that you're not as certain, and your read on me was never locked.

[Chara]

i'm not seeing it. you're taking "clidd scumreads me" and making a reason for that to be a contradiction with not voting yet.

[Chara]

meanwhile you keep talking about why clidd is so scummy and acting like not his town self, but also you're suspicious of both of us and aren't sure, but haven't actually given a reason for me to be scum at all.

[Chara]

actually, I had a scumroll on my tm-mafia debut iirc but I ended up freezing in that game so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i was in team mafia once and that will be the only time. mafia stress x10 and it's just not a fun atmosphere.

[Flea The Magician]

meanwhile you keep talking about why clidd is so scummy and acting like not his town self, but also you're suspicious of both of us and aren't sure, but haven't actually given a reason for me to be scum at all.

I dont have a locked read, and I certainly haven't spent the last 2 in game days blanking another player.

Even if I did have solid scum or town reads, I would re-evaluating them at this point as we're 1 from loss.

My big issue with you Chara is you haven't real stuck out to me much, and admittedly I was hella tunnelled for most of the game so that's a blank memory anyway.
My bigger issue is Clidd lockscumming me, refusing to talk to me because his headspace isn't right to deal with me (Slightly offended by that ftr. I know I'm a hard person to get along with but sheesh, I thought we were good. Can't blame you though, you gotta look after yourself <3) and despite this lockscum read, isn't as locked into it as he's giving off.

[Flea The Magician]

To me a locked read is a read that does not change. Even in a potential game ending situation that read only then changes when presented with near indisputable information about alignment.

[clidd]

I'm not ignorant to the point of saying I can't reconsider, but it's been really hard for me to get out of my vision of your play here (flea)

the mechanical tunnel and then the way you approached the days after tanner/mt were no longer in the game don't reflect me as good faith (I know, you hate this kind of argument, but that's how I feel about you)

[clidd]

the point of me not voting for you now was because my certainty the day before (ydrasse) was incorrect, which didn't give me so much confidence to trust 100% even in a lock-read (something not difficult to deduce)

but your interpretation of ''hey, look, clidd' doesn't demonstrate the confidence he should have in this read'' doesn't strike me as something of a town mentality that's trying to read me

[clidd]

personally, I have nothing against you, I was just cautious to avoid a possible episode of toxicity on my part and it seemed a little impossible for me to interact with you without witnessing a drastic chemical change on me for a certain period of time (although I am much more calm now)

[Flea The Magician]

the point of me not voting for you now was because my certainty the day before (ydrasse) was incorrect, which didn't give me so much confidence to trust 100% even in a lock-read (something not difficult to deduce)

but your interpretation of ''hey, look, clidd' doesn't demonstrate the confidence he should have in this read'' doesn't strike me as something of a town mentality that's trying to read me

You know me enough to know how I work, and I can appriciate the backing off before becoming toxic, it's something I need to work on myself.

And yes, you have summed it up well. You are not displaying the confidence that your reads say you have, and I find it worrying enough to need to know why? I don't intend to be voted for today, and I don't intend to be until the other townie here has gone too.

[clidd]

the point of me not voting for you now was because my certainty the day before (ydrasse) was incorrect, which didn't give me so much confidence to trust 100% even in a lock-read (something not difficult to deduce)

but your interpretation of ''hey, look, clidd' doesn't demonstrate the confidence he should have in this read'' doesn't strike me as something of a town mentality that's trying to read me

You know me enough to know how I work, and I can appriciate the backing off before becoming toxic, it's something I need to work on myself.

And yes, you have summed it up well. You are not displaying the confidence that your reads say you have, and I find it worrying enough to need to know why? I don't intend to be voted for today, and I don't intend to be until the other townie here has gone too.

Well, the congruent action here would be to vote chara and close the communication channel again with you because my read will probably not change and no information coming from you will change that, but at the same time it doesn't seem like 100% to me (although, again, the read has been announced as lock). Dealing in absolutes is very difficult considering I've been wrong more than once in this game. As much as I think you're heavily scummy (and have evidence pointing to town!Chara from my perspective) I'm still not 100% satisfied with this conclusion and prefer to explore further what pooky/amy thinks about it. That's probably my subconscious trying to avoid me assuming a single solve without trying to look back, even though it's hard. A part of me also still thinks that if I see something, however small, that makes me think I'm wrong, a new path of thought might open up.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if u 2 vote chara and chara scum self hammers that would be a lovely end to this game clap clap

[clidd]

At the moment, I consider your slot oppressively more likely to be scum than Chara.

I don't know if your view of me is the same, but if it is (and you are town) I find it very difficult for us to find each other as part of the same alignment.

[Amy Dunne]

if u 2 vote chara and chara scum self hammers that would be a lovely end to this game clap clap

It’s extremely important that we don’t rush this vote, so no one should vote before me and Pooky are confident.

[clidd]

I mean, while from my perspective your slot looks awful, from your perspective I'm not playing the town!clidd model you have, so it would probably be difficult for you to consider any post on my part as relevant to townread me (considering that in this world I would never act according to your expectations).

We would go around in circles of bad impressions about each other indefinitely until a greater force stops the loop (vote/elim).