Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.
Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.
heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:48 pm
by kanyeknowsbest
idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?
Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.
Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.
heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.
No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.
idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?
PoE. And there's nothing to show you're town either.
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:19 pm
by ooba
If you really want to talk about optimal strategy, let's talk about Zednek\Titus - who you've been pushing from Day 5 onwards.
SpyreX opens up D3 with a case on Zed - Zed votes SpyreX. They carry this for the entire day; then, at the very deadline - when no other lynch apart from SpyreX is viable, Zed decides to unvote at L-1 and throw away all the bussing credibility they've built up. Please.
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:08 pm
by Messiah Complex
In post 5153, ooba wrote:No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.
Why was Kanye's towncred (which was not lacking before the Quadz lynch) more important than Quadz' life?
- Des
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:12 pm
by Messiah Complex
In post 5052, Nautilius wrote:Desperado, what do you think of the "no, that's probably just why AGar was killed" counterargument to the slam dunk case?
It's a possibility, but Alfred-scum isn't dependent on the scum having to hammer in order to kill. It's just sweetener.
Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.
Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.
heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.
No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.
believe you are severely underestimating the utility of a free lynch and delaying the lynch of a buddy by 1 or more days.
idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?
PoE. And there's nothing to show you're town either.
are you kidding me ive been obv town as fuck this game
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:13 pm
by kanyeknowsbest
like what happened between you declaring me town as fuck (which iirc happened before quadz even flipped) and now that im no longer obviously town ?
In post 5153, ooba wrote:No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.
Why was Kanye's towncred (which was not lacking before the Quadz lynch) more important than Quadz' life?
- Des
It's not sacrificing Quadz's life - his lynch was already forfeit - it was a question of D4 or D5. You make that D5 and you gain immense town cred - not to mention a significant 'get out of lynch with that logic' card.
In post 5158, kanyeknowsbest wrote:like what happened between you declaring me town as fuck (which iirc happened before quadz even flipped) and now that im no longer obviously town ?
I reevaluate with flips, new info and obviously how people vote.
When the day started, I thought it might be {elle, TA, Garruk with Tierce as a paranoid possibility} scumteam. elle's playing like town - so is Garruk. Right now I'd say it has to be some combination of {you, Benmage, Ceph}. All three of you have shown some combination of fear that the PoE thing is working out for town
- You keep pushing Titus who is town
- Ben kept pushing Alfred at the start of the day since he knows Alfred is a harder mislynch than TA - the hammer sentiment will subside in time. As soon as I change lynches to you, he thinks TA is town but we should still him because he's a thorn?
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:01 am
by Eddard Stark
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:19 am
by ooba
Nacho, please be awesome and do the same thing you did with SpyreX. Vote kanye with me.
I didn't have the conviction on Day 5 and Day 6 because I guess - at the back of my mind - I had doubts about Alchemist. But the kanye lynch feels right - please trust me on this.
And whats the hammer concern... damn ooba u bad at dis.
Did you forget your own theory on why scum might be going after hammers?
My own "crazy" theory. Okay kid.
I'd like to see scum hammer after the scrutiny we've now put on hammers in thread .
I'll apologise - I reread parts of the game - I was wrong about you being scum. Kanye's still scum though.
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:24 am
by Benmage
In post 5159, ooba wrote:When the day started, I thought it might be {elle, TA, Garruk with Tierce as a paranoid possibility} scumteam. elle's playing like town - so is Garruk. Right now I'd say it has to be some combination of {you, Benmage, Ceph}. All three of you have shown some combination of fear that the PoE thing is working out for town
- You keep pushing Titus who is town
- Ben kept pushing Alfred at the start of the day since he knows Alfred is a harder mislynch than TA - the hammer sentiment will subside in time. As soon as I change lynches to you, he thinks TA is town but we should still him because he's a thorn?
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.
-I've been talking about my paranoia regarding Alch long before anything you did, and switched my vote before you did. Soooo fix your chronology.
Check this one out:
unvote vote kkb
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:25 am
by Benmage
Damnit ooba you ninja'd me!
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:26 am
by Benmage
Also nothings changed with my opinion on TA... he needs to die sooner than later.
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:27 am
by ooba
In post 5164, Benmage wrote:Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.
I might be paranoid and waffle *a lot* during the day but till it comes to that final lynch vote\push, I've been correct at every lynch that's happened in the game so far.
In post 5141, Garruk Relentless wrote:Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?
Whats curious is the vague general question verse asking the source... What do you find curious about me voting the alchemist? What else on this page is "curious".
In post 5159, ooba wrote:When the day started, I thought it might be {elle, TA, Garruk with Tierce as a paranoid possibility} scumteam. elle's playing like town - so is Garruk. Right now I'd say it has to be some combination of {you, Benmage, Ceph}. All three of you have shown some combination of fear that the PoE thing is working out for town
- You keep pushing Titus who is town
- Ben kept pushing Alfred at the start of the day since he knows Alfred is a harder mislynch than TA - the hammer sentiment will subside in time. As soon as I change lynches to you, he thinks TA is town but we should still him because he's a thorn?
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.
-I've been talking about my paranoia regarding Alch long before anything you did, and switched my vote before you did. Soooo fix your chronology.
Check this one out:
unvote vote kkb
What changed between the popcorn and this point?
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:44 am
by Benmage
I'm full, and there's butter all over my fingers.
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:48 am
by Tierce
Not an answer. Why are you voting kanye?
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:59 am
by Benmage
I'm Benmage and I've already answered the question you seek.... Surely, you know this.
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:20 am
by Cephrir
In post 5159, ooba wrote:
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
It's not my fault people keep doing it =(
Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:41 am
by ooba
In post 4995, Cephrir wrote:Kanye, how do you feel about coming out with respect to our role interaction? Because I want to talk to you about it.
Cephrir - I ISO'd you - notice that you want to lynch TA (but aren't too sure about his scum flip). What do you think of Kanye? Does this role interaction help your read of him?
