Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, it's pathetic. You pull your knives out for me and try to lull the others with sweet talk. It's all a ruse to turn the tables on me and get what you want. You can't overwhelm the thread when I'm in the game and you hate it.

[The DEO]

I'm going to listen to the guy with a best town performance scummy.

And posts like this are why I cannot clear you Nero.

You have tried to pit me versus Math and me versus ABR rather than actually wanting town to work together (since I'm supposing you think ABR is town).

[The DEO]

I'm going to listen to the guy with a best town performance scummy.

Prior good performance doesn't indicate current alignment.

Otherwise I'd be scum in every game I'm in as I got vigged in Gistou and fooled the most amount of people.

Seriously you're listening to the guy who invented a strongman that literally couldn't exist to justify why scum shot Frogger? Instead when it points to ABR scum.

~~Math

ABR -- Still waiting on that answer.

[The DEO]

No, it's pathetic. You pull your knives out for me and try to lull the others with sweet talk. It's all a ruse to turn the tables on me and get what you want. You can't overwhelm the thread when I'm in the game and you hate it.

Oh please. You're just pissed I won't let you bully everyone into submission. This is why I don't play with you. I pull out knives for you because you don't treat me or anyone else who disagrees with you with a modicum of respect.

That vote on Vecna was personal about you trying to establish control by knocking out everyone who works with me, and its pathetic.

I'm going to go to bed. I'm not too "overwhelming" when I'm asleep.

~Titus

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can't beat me with numbers. You can't beat me with heigthened activity. It's over for you. Leave your feelings under the bed tomorrow morning, meet me halfway, and we'll scumhunt.

[The DEO]

No, it's pathetic. You pull your knives out for me and try to lull the others with sweet talk. It's all a ruse to turn the tables on me and get what you want. You can't overwhelm the thread when I'm in the game and you hate it.

While I agree with you at points ABR posts like this don't help. Please interact with me. If you're scum then try to get me to lynch a townie. If you're town try to get me to lynch scum.

Please answer my question ABR

~~Math

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I'm not sure how much more I can stand of this JaeReed if I lose my third rock this game (Drixx and Frogger being the other two). Can you do something else today, like Caesar? We won In Memory because my town rocks got left alive and didn't turn on each other.

~Titus

I feel like you're just wanting to policy lynch Caesar. It's a lot like the Yuri lynch was looking to be shaping up to be, where it's consensus because people are scum and/or too lazy to scumhunt.

In Memory you actually refused to lynch my scumread because you thought he was town. Vaxkiller. It was only because Math derphammered that we got that. I would have had you as hard scum if it weren't for Math being in that hydra.

I'm pretty sure you've just been buddied up to here. Even you couldn't give me a reason for Vecna being town. Why do you think Vecna is town? I can't see whatever it is you're seeing, and I feel like you're ignoring the cases I present because you don't want to see what it is I'm seeing.

I want to work with you, I really do, but it feels like you only want me to blindly sheep you and that's the kind of behaviour I'm in this hydra to try to get away from in order to improve my game.

[Nero Cain]

I am pushing my top scumread and their lynch is getting stonewalled and some are outright avoiding giving answers (Spiffy calling her bad town but not explaining why her d1 post about ABR comes from bad town) and most are just falling back on this lazy meta read junk.

[The DEO]

Titus is going to bed let's talk JaeReed...Did you get a chance to see my VCA or did it get drowned out?

~~Math

[The DEO]

You can't beat me with numbers. You can't beat me with heigthened activity. It's over for you. Leave your feelings under the bed tomorrow morning, meet me halfway, and we'll scumhunt.

Ever the politician aren't you. Caesar is meeting you half way, and is the larger wagon.

Lynching my townreads isn't that. Leave your ego under yours if town and realize its ok to follow a scumread I had first.

I actually like Mathblade and I won't vote Vecna for them. No amount of grandstanding from you will.

You wanna work shit out, vote Caesar.

Good night. Happy V Day.

[The DEO]

I am pushing my top scumread and their lynch is getting stonewalled and some are outright avoiding giving answers (Spiffy calling her bad town but not explaining why her d1 post about ABR comes from bad town) and most are just falling back on this lazy meta read junk.

Nero I'm telling you right now, you'd need to lynch us before A&N. That's how damn sure I am A&N is town. If you want to talk about it let me know. But like Titus and I agree and it's like pretty plainly obvious to us. There's lots of reasons for it. Is it possible she's scum? Yes I don't have A&N's role PM. But what I do know is that I have a .000000001 % chance of believing she is scum based on certain things in game. Like if A&N is scum they need a scummy type levels.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I'm not sure how much more I can stand of this JaeReed if I lose my third rock this game (Drixx and Frogger being the other two). Can you do something else today, like Caesar? We won In Memory because my town rocks got left alive and didn't turn on each other.

~Titus

I feel like you're just wanting to policy lynch Caesar. It's a lot like the Yuri lynch was looking to be shaping up to be, where it's consensus because people are scum and/or too lazy to scumhunt.

In Memory you actually refused to lynch my scumread because you thought he was town. Vaxkiller. It was only because Math derphammered that we got that. I would have had you as hard scum if it weren't for Math being in that hydra.

I'm pretty sure you've just been buddied up to here. Even you couldn't give me a reason for Vecna being town. Why do you think Vecna is town? I can't see whatever it is you're seeing, and I feel like you're ignoring the cases I present because you don't want to see what it is I'm seeing.

I want to work with you, I really do, but it feels like you only want me to blindly sheep you and that's the kind of behaviour I'm in this hydra to try to get away from in order to improve my game.

Alright, I can give you reasons but why. He's town. Caesar isn't. Caesar is scum obscuring himself. Vecna isn't.

*shrug* Reasons come later if you need em but I need sleep.

[Nero Cain]

I want Spif, Deo, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi, and Frogger to be my mason buddies.

-Nebby

You are a fool in the process of being endgamed.

Like this is the only post that I really feel is kinda scummy. Like he's scum and telling us that he's gonna kill us all. But then I also feel like Titus' d1 case on him that he was "lurking" was p weak and Ali blaming him for the Yuri wagon and EOD is p horrible...so sure...I kinda feel like he's town.

[Nero Cain]

But what I do know is that I have a .000000001 % chance of believing she is scum based on certain things in game.

Why not tell me about these things.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want Spif, Deo, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi, and Frogger to be my mason buddies.

-Nebby

You are a fool in the process of being endgamed.

Like this is the only post that I really feel is kinda scummy. Like he's scum and telling us that he's gonna kill us all. But then I also feel like Titus' d1 case on him that he was "lurking" was p weak and Ali blaming him for the Yuri wagon and EOD is p horrible...so sure...I kinda feel like he's town.

I remember when I posted that. I was on reddit. A canadian wrote an uber long post about shorting Apple. Martin Shkreli responded "You are a fool in the process of going broke." I copied the line lol

[The DEO]

But what I do know is that I have a .000000001 % chance of believing she is scum based on certain things in game.

Why not tell me about these things.

Because the 99.9999999999% (I didn't count the 9's) is what I focus on.

~~Math

[davesaz]

At the bottom of page 188.

Cultural brings town's knowledge at start of next day up to match what scum can know already at beginning of night by being able to share what bids they made that failed. The cost of that increased knowledge is scum knowing at beginning of night which wonders were built in bids that scum never tried. Scum get a 1 phase advantage in timing but the knowledge they get is not much more than what they could already have. Overall town's increase is higher than scum's increase. Later game it reduces the usefulness of fakeclaiming vanilla. It also eliminates the ability of scum to fakeclaim an unbuilt to appear town.

This will probably be moot in the 19 pages I haven't read yet, but cultural has more positive utility than people are giving it credit for.

And pedit: half a page while I typed that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Math I didn't like the replace out. And scum don't need to coordinate, they just do what they can to pretend they look town and it was a good position to have. Nothing he cant do as scum.

[Nero Cain]

ok but tell me these things that he's doing that make you think town?

sorry Dave

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dave should we lynch Vecna?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Dave probably isn't scum.

[The DEO]

@Math I didn't like the replace out. And scum don't need to coordinate, they just do what they can to pretend they look town and it was a good position to have. Nothing he cant do as scum.

So you are saying that without talking with his buddies Drixx said "COME COP ME" and since Drixx is one of the best players on MS that he would gambit that wouldn't be followed?

Scum had no RB that night it has been proven.
If town ever got a vig that is scum suicide. Drixx would never do that.

~~Math

[Nero Cain]

ABR please be quiet so I can have a conversation with the saner head of DEO.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Titus is going to bed let's talk JaeReed...Did you get a chance to see my VCA or did it get drowned out?

~~Math

I saw it. I'm not sure on the thoughts there because I do VCA differently to that, but I am thinking about it and have been thinking on how to approach what I further need from you with that.

I feel like you approach VCA with a lot of your reads already in mind, where my feelings with it are that VCA should be done independently of reads. So no ruling someone out just because you townread them. Which was a lot of the issue I took with it in Yuri mafia I think. The vote counts are hard data. They're fact. If you're ignoring some of that fact because you think someone is town or scum then it's already going to be kinda ineffective I think?

I'm not entirely sure the resolution phase votes are AI, also. The first resolution phase lasted basically only while I was sleeping. It's possible scum just hadn't had time to get to the thread, which I feel you didn't factor in there.

This is all just me trying to give constructive feedback at this point because without I think another day of flips I can't do as much with it and I don't want to point out exactly what I'm going to be looking for ahead of time for obvious reasons.

Is it possible for you to do the analysis without making any assumptions of the above kind?

[Nero Cain]

like I really don't think A+N is town and all these meta town reads and that Yume is posting or not posting makes them town. This all seems so silly to me.