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Noted,
Lukewarm, vote us.

-Bell

In post 5147, Snarky Fishes wrote:VOTE: Snarky Fishes

FF signed off.

Dragons, hammer us.

-Bell

Do we direct manatee before we do this?

Or is it actually better to trust manatee to choose a demon to turn?

There are pros and cons to both. It is probably better to let her choose if we think she will live til tomorrow with medea and spiff both targeting her.

If we are worried about a strong man, then we might need to say who she is targeting in advance tho

In post 5150, Snarky Fishes wrote:Noted,
Lukewarm, vote us.

-Bell

Would like the full plan ironed out first x.x

I find it unlikely there is a strong man in this set up. Given the protective roles themselves are nerfed.

-Bell

I am many many pages behind but why aren't we just limming AA9?

Because we think someone who said they aren’t playing the stupid way will play the stupid way

In post 5149, Annie Edison wrote:Yeah I signed up to play mafia

I don’t particularly enjoy killing townies and won’t be a part of that shitstorm, y’all have fun with that shit

Call me when we decide to play the game right.

I cosign this post

This is playing the game right. /:

Vote us, you'll see.

-Bell

We aren’t killing town.

Eye brow. Please just go along with it. I may or may not have lied a little bit about our role and how it works.

-Bell

No.

You trust town Bell don't you.

-Bell

In post 5145, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 5121, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 5119, Lukewarm wrote:I actually am not sure why so many people are so against it anyways. Even if I am wrong, I am pretty sure that we are in the same boat as if we just hunt for the right scum team. And absolutely no one giving me a reasonable explanation of how it is better to do it your way sure does not make me feel like changing gears....

All plans involve finding our best guess for the scum team today, but then the different plans branch on how to go about killing them

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Plan 1: Vote for the scum team directly this Day phase.

Spoiler:

If we are correct, we have killed scum today. Yay!

If we hit the Corrupter, then tomorrow will be the day before elo to find the other one (we have 1 miss shot)
If we hit the non-corrupter, then tomorrow is ELO. (we have no miss shots)

If we are wrong, we lose. On the spot. They turn 2 people tonight using the corrupter, and then there are 8 demons and 2 scum tomorrow.

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Plan 2: Try to get our top scum read to hammer the Fishes

Spoiler:

If we are correct, they just refuse to hammer. We then have to vote them out directly. We kill scum today, Yay!

If we hit the Corrupter, then tomorrow will be the day before elo to find the other one. (we have 1 miss shot)
If we hit the non-corrupter, then tomorrow is ELO. (we have 0 miss shots)

If we are wrong, then a townie hammers you, and tomorrow is Elo. 2 scum alive, find the corrupter or lose. If we do this plan, hit a townie today, and then successfully find scum tomorrow, but it is the non-corrupter tomorrow we lose.

Plan 3: Ask the dragons to hammer the Fishes (then killing our top scum reads starting tomorrow)

Spoiler:

If we do this plan, and we are right, we buy ourselves SO FUCKING MUCH Leway. Like, omg, we can miss like 3 times afterwards. And we are getting so much more info to solve with.

If we are wrong, then we still don't lose. It is the same as missing in plan 2: tomorrow is Elo. 2 scum alive, find the corrupter or lose.

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My plan has THE BEST upside if it works, hands down. No one is even arguing this, I don't think

But then it does not even have the worst downsides on being wrong (see plan 1)...

And there are still people out there advocating plan 1...



To be real, it feels like A LOT of people are dismissing the plan, because not trying to kill scum today does not "feel right" and trying to vote out the scum does "feel right" without actually looking at the pros and cons of the plans.

This one

@spiff

Because shooting our top scum read directly is actually the least optimal way to try and win.

If enough people prefer aa9 to Annie, then aa9 can be the manatee target / our kill tomorrow

In post 5163, ManateeGal wrote:VOTE: snarky fishes

Thank you.

E-4.

I’ve literally been trying to convince you guys to trust me and spiffy on AA9.

It goes both ways dude. I’m not miseliming you guys.

aa9 goes tmrw. this is to ensure we have time and a method of combatting the alternate wincon

Lukewarm makes E3, I doubt Unwnd and Rhea will object so you've been veto'd.

Yeah, I know Notty, but it would be more efficient to kill AA9 after we and dragons die anyway.

-Bell

VOTE: fishes

E-3

i will deshard aa9 and we can flip them tmrw.

VOTE: annie

Get me out.

If we spent the the Day actually scumhunting instead of wasting 40 pages trying to game our way out of an impossible and unpredictable situation we would probably have a better chance at hitting the corruptor like we need to?

Or that effort might have given us enough content to work off of cement more confident reads so we don't go into lim-lo having wasted 2/3 game Days (if we're not in lim-lo already)

I'm not trying to be sourpuss, maybe I missed some juicy stuff this weekend which I'll see when I catch up, I'm just not very confident in the current "plan" and I feel like another game Day is gonna be wasted and/or we'll just delay the inevitable?

I'd rather try to lim scum than pray that the stars align to block the alternate WC from being achievable and probably putting us in a lim-low position anyway

Didn't everyone call AA9 scum in that little reads game earlier anyway?

Check my assassin list. We were at five without you, mouse.

We just want to do this stupid bullshit instead

Do people not even want AA9 to like

CONTRIBUTE

at all?

Can that at least happen before we push through another lim prematurely?

No Spiffeh we have to follow THE PLAN

Because if we don’t kill two townies to make up for missing scum kills how will we ever cylo????