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NAcho, can you summarize the progression of F-16's reads and emotion over the night?

Like hes reacting like he literally just read the mastin flip and RBD flip at the same time and its weird on an emotional level.

What explicitly did he say about Tammy last night?

He said maybe we were scum together and we were going to blow our cover and mislynch him today

And then you voted him

And then he freaked the fuck out

In post 5164, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 5139, CarbonFiber wrote:I told Nacho to bring it. I told him to tell Tammy in the scum QT to attack me (As a jkoke). I did not expect that at all. I reeally didn't

You really think NAcho and Tammy are scum together and Nacho told Tammy to push you? Why would NAcho have to be involved in Tammy's decision to push you (assuming she is scum)?

In post 5150, Titan wrote:Because he started setting me up fr the hammer in his first post f the day.

F-16: Why did you not vote at all Yesterday? IIRC, you never voted even once despite tryingto get mastin lynched from the sidelines pretty much all Day. Why no vote ever?

Okay, I am a little calmer now. I'll explain what I thought would happen and what actually hapenned:

I suspected the scumteam to be you, Penguin, Nacho, and Tammy.

I didn't expect Tammy to push me if she was scum at all. I expected her to continue to push BRO. I expected you to push me. You can read BRO 100% Pushing BRO might as well be a scumclaim. It is the same for Tammy and me. Neither of us failed to read each other correctly before.

So, you push me, Tammy pushes BRO-Desp. That's what I assumed the scumplan was. I expected to come into the game to see you vote me. I was ready for it. What I didn't expect was for Tammy to push me.

I can handle pushes from people that know me before. Nacho tried pushing me once in Micro 252, read it if you want. I responded fairly calmly and was able to get one of his scumbuddies lynched. The push went nowhere. I expected to be able to handle Nacho pushing me again. I told him to push me. I told him to show me that he was scum and to scumclaim to me if he was in jest. I even put up a show about how I am ready for him and told him to bring it on so I could see him for the scum he was.

What I didn't expect was for Tammy to open up with a vote on me. I was already feeling like absolute crap about pushing Mastin and Muffin-Nati's lynches and being a dick to ffery about how they were obvscum. I was about this close to breaking down completely. I did not expect her to vote me at all.

Her reaction is a total scumclaim after I responded to it. She didn't even ask me if I was okay although you did. I've played many more games with Tammy than I have with you. I've interacted with her a lot more than I have interacted with you. Heck, you don't even like me. And the only person who asked me if I was all right was you. Tammy just ignored it and continued attacking me which is as good as a scumclaim. As to why she wouldn't push me on her own, it is because she can read me and I can read her. She wouldn't push me unless she was sure she would win. And at this point, I think she knows that she would win. Pushing me is basically claiming scum to me.

Why I didn't vote yesterday: I was going to vote sometime before deadline. There weren't enough fucking spots on the wagon. Look at who didn't vote Mastin. Look at the non-voters. All these people wanted to vote but it only took 8 to lynch.

In post 5173, Nachomamma8 wrote:Although I would really like you to help me sort magenta.

magenta got a lot more difficult for me to read with mara joining. But, I was still feeling pretty confident orcinus has been town overnight.

In post 5180, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 5173, Nachomamma8 wrote:Although I would really like you to help me sort magenta.

magenta got a lot more difficult for me to read with mara joining. But, I was still feeling pretty confident orcinus has been town overnight.

What does your scum team look like?

Also, F-16, respond to VisCon point in neighborhood.

In post 5176, Nachomamma8 wrote:He said maybe we were scum together and we were going to blow our cover and mislynch him today

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In post 5178, Nachomamma8 wrote:And then he freaked the fuck out

.....kay....
Fucking. There have been way too many meltdowns in this game and its all starting to blur together in the 'fuck it' part of my head.
Im not sure if him reportedly expecting this treachery from Tammy/Nacho makes the emotion make more sense "I knew this would happen!!" or not. My gut is really at ends with it since if he expected it (and apparently even taunted NAcho about it), why is he so emotional over it actually going down. Or maybe its something more specific that bothers me. Like hes frustrated, but more in a "I give up" when I'd expect more anger or raging? I'm really over trying to understand all the emotions in this game at this juncture :/

In post 5151, Nachomamma8 wrote:Wow you sound suspiciously like F-16!

I'm gonna leave this here.

In post 5166, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 5162, Titan wrote:

In post 5125, CarbonFiber wrote:I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

You're right to read Tammy card is in the shredder.

So is your right to read F-16 card.

And this!

I can't imagine how happy zMuffin and Nati are to see this. I feel so sorry and feel like crap for pushing them.

In post 5169, Nachomamma8 wrote:TAMMY: In the neighborhood last night, it was Desperado who was paranoid of you. F-16 had doubts in small bursts, but reread to reassure himself. That doesn't seem like he's "posturing against you", and I have no idea why he would posture against you in the first place as scum.

And this.

In post 5181, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 5180, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 5173, Nachomamma8 wrote:Although I would really like you to help me sort magenta.

magenta got a lot more difficult for me to read with mara joining. But, I was still feeling pretty confident orcinus has been town overnight.

What does your scum team look like?

I expected to get some pushback about my certainty Rancid was town at the start of the game day and also some crap about getting agreement to hammer from Beli and then not hammering. I was hoping to get some sense of whether the anticipated push came from town or scum mindsets.

Other shit happened. :/

In post 5171, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 5168, Titan wrote:

In post 5125, CarbonFiber wrote:I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

This is fucking bullshit by the way.

And I do believe you'd set me up. I watched what you did to Mina in wicked. a REMEMBER?

You also watched him experiencing a ton of trepidation and me being like "it's okay, she's not actually that town"? Why do you think all of his meta cases landed on him not being sure about her alignment?

And this!

In post 5183, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 5176, Nachomamma8 wrote:He said maybe we were scum together and we were going to blow our cover and mislynch him today

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In post 5178, Nachomamma8 wrote:And then he freaked the fuck out

.....kay....
Fucking. There have been way too many meltdowns in this game and its all starting to blur together in the 'fuck it' part of my head.
Im not sure if him reportedly expecting this treachery from Tammy/Nacho makes the emotion make more sense "I knew this would happen!!" or not. My gut is really at ends with it since if he expected it (and apparently even taunted NAcho about it), why is he so emotional over it actually going down. Or maybe its something more specific that bothers me. Like hes frustrated, but more in a "I give up" when I'd expect more anger or raging? I'm really over trying to understand all the emotions in this game at this juncture :/

I didn't taunt Nacho about it. I challenged him. He pushed me when he was scum before and I knew what to expect.

In post 5186, CarbonFiber wrote:I can't imagine how happy zMuffin and Nati are to see this. I feel so sorry and feel like crap for pushing them.

I can't imagine they're actually happy to see the town driving themselves into a hole because people are making irrational pushes. I'm sure pie's pissed that you're making an irrational push on Tammy and Tammy's making an irrational push on you. I'm sure Mastin isn't happy that you're repeating old mistakes. I'm sure even LORD BUSINESS doesn't want to see this happening for the third day in a row.

In post 5179, CarbonFiber wrote:I didn't expect Tammy to push me if she was scum at all. I expected her to continue to push BRO. I expected you to push me.

You can read BRO 100% Pushing BRO might as well be a scumclaim.

It is the same for Tammy and me. Neither of us failed to read each other correctly before.

the underlined is not at all true. I misread BRO horribly in the one Micro game I was in with him. The only other game I was in with him (where I was town) I waffled excessively on him and vote him at points even though he was town. So I dunno where you got this impression unless BRO said it in the neighborhood which is pretty unjustified if he did.

In post 5179, CarbonFiber wrote:I can handle pushes from people that know me before.

Does Tammy not know you?

In post 5179, CarbonFiber wrote:Her reaction is a total scumclaim after I responded to it. She didn't even ask me if I was okay although you did.

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Ugh. I felt like I had my 2nd wind spiritually after actually getting role results back when I fully expected to be 100% useless in that dept all game and now its like the wind was knocked out of my sails again.

My logical side wants to believe that F-16 is faking all this, but my instincts are screaming the opposite.

Im going to check out of this game for a little bit, be on later.

Logically, why would F-16 fake this? Why do you think he's faking this?

I'm also happy to see everyone's quiet again because that means people are thinking it out and have stopped being paranoid and I can finally use the bathroom.

In post 5191, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 5186, CarbonFiber wrote:I can't imagine how happy zMuffin and Nati are to see this. I feel so sorry and feel like crap for pushing them.

I can't imagine they're actually happy to see the town driving themselves into a hole because people are making irrational pushes. I'm sure pie's pissed that you're making an irrational push on Tammy and Tammy's making an irrational push on you. I'm sure Mastin isn't happy that you're repeating old mistakes. I'm sure even LORD BUSINESS doesn't want to see this happening for the third day in a row.

NO, they are happy because they wanted to see me punished in some way for pushing the crap out of them. They don't want town to win anymore because of me.

I know they were right all along. Nati called Tammy scum. Muffin called AP scum.

I KNEW Tammy was scum all along at some deep level and was partly kidding myself into townreading her because I didn't want to scumread anyone I like playing with. I never want to scumread you, and I never want to scumread Tammy.

Like this was the first game ever that I came into the game being unsure of Tammy as opposed to calling her obvtown. That's when I should have known. That was the differentiator between her town and scum games.

I spent HOURS reading every page of Stacking the Deck front to back and back to front. I read every word she wrote in the game. I didn't even ISO. I read it in context.

I watched as you took Syr down and how she went on to win the game. Her scumgame parallels yours and is truly spectacular to watch.

In post 5188, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 5181, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 5180, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 5173, Nachomamma8 wrote:Although I would really like you to help me sort magenta.

magenta got a lot more difficult for me to read with mara joining. But, I was still feeling pretty confident orcinus has been town overnight.

What does your scum team look like?

I expected to get some pushback about my certainty Rancid was town at the start of the game day and also some crap about getting agreement to hammer from Beli and then not hammering. I was hoping to get some sense of whether the anticipated push came from town or scum mindsets.

Other shit happened. :/

You thought you'd be a primary target today?

Anyway, in case this bullshit goes somewhere

I'm milla maxwell a town determined warrior. I'm an anti-roleblocker. But I had to decide before the game started who I was going to attach myself to and I can't change it unless the person I chose first dies.

Guess who I chose? Guess you can't guess? Nacho is unroleblockable. That is why I started the game already paranoid about their slot and asked them to town themselves early. I thought that in a large there could be one of both and if I made scum unroleblockable I'd be screwing over town. The "I will stay with you" in my first post referred to that. I stay with the person and fight along their side.

If nacho dies, I can choose another person, and my action can't be roleblocked.

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And what the fucktin fuck. I didn't even see your meltdown until quite a bit later. I'm on my fucking phone and didn't read the million edits. You're screaming at me that I'm scum when you felt to me like you were setting me up. I do hope you're okay, and now that's going to sound insincere but when I read it I thought you were trying to imitate bro's meltdown. I'm sick as fuck and barely able to keep up with shit as it is.

Anyway, I don't care if people get mad at me claiming but whatever.

And falcon I said I would answer you when I got to a computer, which I didn't do because I'm still on my damn phone why wouldn't you just wait. Also if we are both town then we irrationally got it into our heads we'd push each other. And since I waffled on you like crazy in the neighborhood last night going from a I'd be surprised if you flipped scum to a maybe the scum team is nacho/falcon/pere/Orcinus to a yeah I'd be surprised if he flipped scum to a wait nacho might be town here's why to a hold on I think I do actually like my town tell for pere to a you know what the only thing I feel good about in this game is that ffery's town and if she dies I don't know what to do because it's the only thing I feel solid on. No I wasn't planning on pushing anyone but you put my back up with that question about the hammer and of anyone to try to make me look bad for that I didn't think it would be you and then I thought maybe penguin was right about her suspicions.

In post 5195, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 5191, Nachomamma8 wrote:

In post 5186, CarbonFiber wrote:I can't imagine how happy zMuffin and Nati are to see this. I feel so sorry and feel like crap for pushing them.

I can't imagine they're actually happy to see the town driving themselves into a hole because people are making irrational pushes. I'm sure pie's pissed that you're making an irrational push on Tammy and Tammy's making an irrational push on you. I'm sure Mastin isn't happy that you're repeating old mistakes. I'm sure even LORD BUSINESS doesn't want to see this happening for the third day in a row.

NO, they are happy because they wanted to see me punished in some way for pushing the crap out of them. They don't want town to win anymore because of me.

I know they were right all along. Nati called Tammy scum. Muffin called AP scum.

I KNEW Tammy was scum all along at some deep level and was partly kidding myself into townreading her because I didn't want to scumread anyone I like playing with. I never want to scumread you, and I never want to scumread Tammy.

Like this was the first game ever that I came into the game being unsure of Tammy as opposed to calling her obvtown. That's when I should have known. That was the differentiator between her town and scum games.

I spent HOURS reading every page of Stacking the Deck front to back and back to front. I read every word she wrote in the game. I didn't even ISO. I read it in context.

I watched as you took Syr down and how she went on to win the game. Her scumgame parallels yours and is truly spectacular to watch.

Make your full case on Tammy. Post it if you still believe in it by the time that it's over.

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