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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:30 pm
by skitter30
Pooky i dont think duck is scum cuz apparently the game needs his role to be balanced + scum!him doesnt leave me alive this long and conftown me in lylo when i've been going after him on and off
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:30 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
not useful information, but just saying Datisi would not have to suffer that f3
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:31 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
thats just wifom tho
if scum duck shoots skitter on N1 - duck hangs on d2 for sure
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:32 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
btw i reread the end of day 1 and came to a revelation.
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm
by skitter30
And like up until tm if i was scum with town-him he just died cuz i couldnt pocket him well enough for him to not come after me and town-him scared me
I kinda grew out of it but i'm p sure scum-him is at roughly that stage still in reverse
(With the caveat that he's been on hiatus for a bit and i havent been in a game with scum-him in a while i'm p sure)
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:35 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
so I was going over SS's ISO again to try to build a better case against him and I noticed his read-list at the end of D1 was:
So I went back to this post and began reading around it to try to find a way to poke a holes in it.
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:35 pm
by skitter30
I think there's a lot of assumptions here that dont necessarily hold
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:37 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
and I re-read the interactions you had with TW during end of day on D1 where TW was pushing you very hard and Aldus had voted you.
At that point you had been voted by Aldus/TW and SS signalled he was willing to vote you over Aldus - Raven had also began to turn on you a bit.
Datisi unvoted Aldus and might have switched to you - TW was pushing me hard to switch my vote to you. Lilith was also possibly going to switch her vote to you as well.
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:40 pm
by the worst
i'll be ~aroundish~ for my lunch break
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:41 pm
by skitter30
Yes, and? That's why i softed/claimed cuz i didnt want to get voted out
Actually i just thought of something - did i get mf'd just cuz i'm an fn and they wanted to kill me around the bg?
Did someone want tw alive today?
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:41 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you made this post:
In post 2589, skitter30 wrote:fuck it, i'm Tired
i've been trying to walk that line between 'scummy enough to not be n1'd' and 'townie enough to not be lynched', which is not super easy to do for me
and hoping that i can catch out scum along the way for being 'weird' for me, which is fun when i can manage it with this sort of pr (see: banner)
i've been softing for a while (and i would argue that the past few posts of mine are me basically jumping up and down and trying to tell you to back off) but have been trying to avoid outright claiming
(cuz, like, me being obv or conftown is great, but i also just die in that universe so like, so not sure how much is actually gained vs. me claiming tomorrow)
but eh
to spell it out: i'm saying that i'm a provably town pr
i currently think that all scum is in {tw, raven, aldu}.
for everyone saying that me/tw aren't tvt ... if i'm provably town, what does that make tw ?
after lilith kind of signaled she was considering to go along with SS:
In post 2586, lilith2013 wrote:SS prefers executing you and I’m inclined to just go along with unless I get something that helps me read you better
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:42 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
this is the reason why lilith got killed on N1
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:42 pm
by skitter30
Yes, that's why i claimed, cuz lilith was very likely to vote me and i didnt want to be
Pedit wut
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:43 pm
by the worst
In post 5184, skitter30 wrote:Yes, and? That's why i softed/claimed cuz i didnt want to get voted out
Actually i just thought of something - did i get mf'd just cuz i'm an fn and they wanted to kill me around the bg?
Did someone want tw alive today?
are you feeling the rocks-in-stomach feeling i felt at the start of this phase?
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:43 pm
by the worst
i literally don't understand this
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:44 pm
by skitter30
Tw do i remember the last time i played with scum-you? I'm thinking starcraft but there's like almost got sure something after, no?
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:44 pm
by skitter30
*for sure
Sigh
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:44 pm
by the worst
i have this feeling like you've stomped scum!me since then but i can't like, put my finger on it
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:44 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
like it's always been bothering me why the scum chose to kill lilith of all people.
and why did they not use MfD if they had a MfD as it bypasses certain town abilities.
I think the reason is because in D1 you had expressed strong feelings about Lilith as conf-VT and also conversed with her about waiting until tommorrow - the scum took this to mean that you would visit her.
Now I know it's a stretch to assume the scum knew you were a FN - but Koba did say he had an entire spreadsheet with all of the roles in every micro and I don't know exactly what the range of confirmable town prs are - but if they deduced you were a FN - that nightkill choice would make sense.
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:45 pm
by skitter30
Yeah i'm blanking on the game too ...
Pedit ? Um
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:46 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Like how many town PRs can confirm their own innocence at night out of the ones in the micros and also make sense to put into this micro? I honestly don't know the answer to this but if the range is not big and the scum figured out you were likely a FN - that would make their NK choice on lilith make a lot of sense - it also makes their choice to use a normal kill instead of MfD make sense since they do not want lilith to say that you visited her at night.
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:48 pm
by the worst
i tried a site:forum.mafiascum.net "the worst" "skitter30" search and it's A Lot
i've rolled scum like somewhat-recently if that helps at all
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:50 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
think about how good of a position TW/SS would be in on D2 if you had visited Lilith on N1 -
Instead of getting confirmed by Datisi, you would have to say you are a FN who happened to visit the person who scum killed. TW would run you over with a bus at that point - esp with all the work that TW had put into trying to rail you out of the game on D1 - esp towards the end when he put on that push where he had Aldus/himself/SS/Lilith all voting/leaning towards voting you with Raven/Datisi kind of on the fence.
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:52 pm
by the worst
trying to miselim someone who is actually good at mafia and who is claiming to be a friendly neighbour who visited the scum kill on night one is like, not a thing i think i could successfully do
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:53 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you were trying to mis-elim skitter on Day 1 before she claimed FN